Eliminate redshirting

[Dark Energy]

The concept is stupid.  

Go to college, earn your degree - then play sports while there.  

Not good enough to start - oh well.  Next year.  Get hurt, that sucks.  Move your life along.
 
Eliminate redshirts.

Do we redshirt Tuba players?  Do we redshirt chemical engineers?  Do we redshirt actresses?  Do we redshirt pre-Med majors?  Do we redshirt aspiring diplomats?

 

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, Dark Energy said:

The concept is stupid.  

Go to college, earn your degree - then play sports while there.  

Not good enough to start - oh well.  Next year.  Get hurt, that sucks.  Move your life along.
 
Eliminate redshirts.

Do we redshirt Tuba players?  Do we redshirt chemical engineers?  Do we redshirt actresses?  Do we redshirt pre-Med majors?  Do we redshirt aspiring diplomats?

 

Yah got a lot of dark energy there but sometimes you make a good point. 

[nhs67]

What you say makes a lot of sense, yes.

The problem is thinking about it as if they are student-athletes.  That is what is commonly sold to us, the consumer.

The truth and reality if it is that they are financial assets and every college is a business, often times a state run one.

Ergo, if money is to be made, they will try to make more of it.  The lesser time (years) the kids have in school with less time exploiting their name, image, likeness, and athletic prowess then that means the less peak profit they stand to have.

[Hammerlock3]

Another reason its dumb is that most of em get redshirted in middleschool anyways. 

If I had to argue for it I'd say that its no less preposterous than the fact that academics and athletics are tethered together in the first place. 

[Formally140]

Kids and families are spending thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars to train year round. To be elite, to wrestle in college, occasionally because dad is living through them. A lot of these kids are training year round and are not given normal chores or responsibilities because the focus is wrestling. Some do it because they love it. Others do it to make sure dad mostly shuts the hell up on the way home. 
 

The prominent style is folkstyle. Of course they’re going to maximize their chances to compete and keep wrestling.

I could keep going. But guys redshirting and maximizing their competitive career is a natural result of the way things are going 

[MNRodent]

I disagree.  Many kids are not academically ready to complete all their academic requirements in 4 years (double major, not a great hs, etc).  Why not take an extra year to mature mentally and physically and enjoy competing at the same time.  We have our entire adult life to work our 9-5 job, why not compete until 23-24 while you can do it?  Many sports the average guy can do beyond his 20's, wrestling isn't one of them.

 

[ionel]

7 minutes ago, MNRodent said:

I disagree.  Many kids are not academically ready to complete all their academic requirements in 4 years (double major, not a great hs, etc).  Why not take an extra year to mature mentally and physically and enjoy competing at the same time.  We have our entire adult life to work our 9-5 job, why not compete until 23-24 while you can do it?  Many sports the average guy can do beyond his 20's, wrestling isn't one of them.

 

What about the other students (non-athletes) shouldn't they get an extra year to say hang and drink beer?

[Crablegs]

34 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

Another reason its dumb is that most of em get redshirted in middleschool anyways. 

If I had to argue for it I'd say that its no less preposterous than the fact that academics and athletics are tethered together in the first place. 

This.  It is an insane system.  I say shut it all down.  

[jagger712]

In the 50's they thought plenty of actors red shirted

[MNRodent]

24 minutes ago, ionel said:

What about the other students (non-athletes) shouldn't they get an extra year to say hang and drink beer?

Many do.

[MNRodent]

[98lberEating2Lunches]

I see the redshirt as only positive for the vast majority of student athletes.  Any student athlete can graduate in four years if that's their priority.

The redshirt is one tool that addresses social inequity.  Without it, only those whose family is in an advantageous financial position would have the opportunity to delay enrollment to optimize their lineage's athletic potential.

Eliminating all gray shirts by making all athletic competition strictly bracketed by age could be seen as fairer.  But this doesn't address nutrition issues associated with social inequities.  The redshirt year helps make a body stronger and more able to fairly compete.

[Wrestleknownothing]

10 hours ago, Dark Energy said:

 

Do we redshirt Tuba players?  Yes. Do we redshirt chemical engineers?  Yes. Do we redshirt actresses?  Yes. Do we redshirt pre-Med majors? Yes. Do we redshirt aspiring diplomats? Yes.

 

There are no rules saying any of those have to be completed in four years, or five, or any other number.

[nhs67]

44 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

11 hours ago, Dark Energy said:

 

Do we redshirt Tuba players?  Yes. Do we redshirt chemical engineers?  Yes. Do we redshirt actresses?  Yes. Do we redshirt pre-Med majors? Yes. Do we redshirt aspiring diplomats? Yes.

 

There are no rules saying any of those have to be completed in four years, or five, or any other number

Also, see the Mattin brothers at Michigan.  They all have been redshirtted.  They are all pre-med as a first priority and a wrestler later.

[Hurricane Wrestling]

11 hours ago, ionel said:

What about the other students (non-athletes) shouldn't they get an extra year to say hang and drink beer?

I think that's already allowed...

 

[MPhillips]

 

Folks are eager to do away with stuff that has no bearing in their lives...

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

 

Folks are eager to do away with stuff that has no bearing in their lives...

I say ban all CBUSes! 

[1032004]

I don’t really see the downside in redshirting.

If you are concerned about the combo of pre-college “redshirting” and actual redshirting creating an advantage, I guess you could probably just institute a maximum age rule?

[ionel]

3 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I don’t really see the downside in redshirting.

If you are concerned about the combo of pre-college “redshirting” and actual redshirting creating an advantage, I guess you could probably just institute a maximum age rule?

There used to be a reason for redshirting freshmen, that reason no longer exists.  

[Wrestleknownothing]

9 minutes ago, ionel said:

There used to be a reason for redshirting freshmen, that reason no longer exists.  

There also used to be no TV contracts, shoe and apparel deals for universities, coaches shows, and Aflac commercials.

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

There also used to be no TV contracts, shoe and apparel deals for universities, coaches shows, and Aflac commercials.

true but Oregon has always had ducks. 

[1032004]

18 minutes ago, ionel said:

There used to be a reason for redshirting freshmen, that reason no longer exists.  

What was that?

[ionel]

3 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

What was that?

Freshmen just weren't ready or have the skills/technique to compete, mostly defensive skills.  Well with more & more college wrestling talent coaching all the way down at the kids club level, thats just not the case anymore.  You could argue academics were perhaps at one point an issue, again not the case anymore, lots of opportunity to be prepared, take AP courses, tutoring etc. look also at number of football players opting out of last semester Sr HS year to join the college team early.  

[Plasmodium]

17 hours ago, Dark Energy said:

The concept is stupid.  

Go to college, earn your degree - then play sports while there.  

Not good enough to start - oh well.  Next year.  Get hurt, that sucks.  Move your life along.
 
Eliminate redshirts.

Do we redshirt Tuba players?  Do we redshirt chemical engineers?  Do we redshirt actresses?  Do we redshirt pre-Med majors?  Do we redshirt aspiring diplomats?

 

To answer your questions, yes.   

[DocBB]

Just give everybody 5 years and eliminate the RS. Not like the NCAA has to compete with Pro Wrestling or anything.