Penn State Roster

[ionel]

8 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Do you not think Coach Taylor will likely do something similar?

Hope not. 

[1032004]

8 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

I don’t “think” anything.  I haven’t spent even a half a second trying to figure out or act like I know what I don’t know.  What else we know is there have not been any single report of bad characteristics of either of these kids, and that their decision is what works for them, is best for them, and will have a positive impact on others.  You do not need to feel sorry for me.  Don’t put that on yourself, I’m just fine. 

Well you do “think” some things, you’re claiming their mission will have a positive impact on others.  If we’re being honest here (I know I am, not sure about you), how do we know that will be true?  How do we know their heart will actually be in this mission?  It’s certainly possible there is no other reason they’re doing this other than to preserve their eligibility, in which case they could be upset that they’re not starting and are only doing this begrudgingly so may not really be the “best” missionaries.  Of course neither of us know whether or not this is the case.

If anyone has “bad characteristics” here, it’s Cael as surely this was his or someone on the staff’s idea.

[1032004]

9 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

And sacrificing a year of training to do so.  

There you go making assumptions again.  We don’t know this to be true, my guess is it’s not.

[WrestlingRasta]

24 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Well you do “think” some things, you’re claiming their mission will have a positive impact on others.  If we’re being honest here (I know I am, not sure about you), how do we know that will be true?  How do we know their heart will actually be in this mission?  It’s certainly possible there is no other reason they’re doing this other than to preserve their eligibility, in which case they could be upset that they’re not starting and are only doing this begrudgingly so may not really be the “best” missionaries.  Of course neither of us know whether or not this is the case.

If anyone has “bad characteristics” here, it’s Cael as surely this was his or someone on the staff’s idea.

Well I guess that’s a matter of….there are people who see the best in situations and the good they are doing.  And there are people who are hell bent on convincing themselves of the negative aspects of something they know very little about, and people they don’t know at all.  It’s also a matter of…..being your best self and having a positive impact is much more big picture than wrestling matches and eligibility, so I tend to look at the bigger picture and don't let simple things that do not impact me and do not hurt anyone, while having a positive impact, butt hurt me. 
 

I know engaging in faith with people has a positive impact on people.  Not all people of course. But we can’t expect to have a positive impact on every single person we come across. All you can do is try.  I also know that I am being completely honest here. 
 

21 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

There you go making assumptions again.  We don’t know this to be true, my guess is it’s not.

I should have added some text “sacrificing a year of training in the best room in the country, and possibly world.”  We do know this at it is a protocol of the rule. 
 

 

Night night.  Nothing really more to say on the topic. 

Edited Wednesday at 04:13 AM by WrestlingRasta

[1032004]

22 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

I know engaging in faith with people has a positive impact on people.  Not all people of course. But we can’t expect to have a positive impact on every single person we come across. All you can do is try.  

 

I should have added some text “sacrificing a year of training in the best room in the country, and possibly world.”  We do know this at it is a protocol of the rule. 

How do you know for sure they will actually try?

And no, we don’t know if they will be unable to train at NLWC, which is really the “room” in question.   I’m seeing varying answers about that.  

[1032004]

7 hours ago, ionel said:

Hope not. 

Considering he’s done things like -

-getting Doucet a medical redshirt for the injury of being a backup

-had a booster provide housing for Forrest so that he could train at the RTC prior to enrolling, which Iowa seemingly told Bo Bassett was illegal

-poaching Vega and Robideau from previous commitments

He doesn’t seem to be above bending the rules

[Rassling]

How in the world two individuals devoting a few years of their lives to helping others devolved into anything else but that is beyond me. I’ve never done so myself but know those who have. It’s admirable and probably a rewarding experience they will never forget. The vast majority of human beings would never travel away from friends family safety and comfort to a far a away place with extreme climate, primitive living conditions, lack of privacy, unfamiliar food and diseases and safety and security threats to help people they’ve never met before.

Edited Wednesday at 11:52 AM by Rassling

[The Kid]

10 hours ago, Le duke said:

You're kidding, right?

Will Henckel is a starter at nearly every program in the country. I'd rank him in the top 6 of 174 right now. 

He a back up. That's the reality of Will Henchel.

[juniorvarsity]

Like I said earlier, it's hard to hate on. At the end of the day, they are doing something selfless and it's an admirable thing to do. However, I find it unlikely that they would do this if they were a starter. It's only an option to them because they are not starters and wrestling is important to them. Cael wouldn't want his starters doing this. 

Now there's a good way and a bad way to criticize this. Like most people, it's hard to separate the eligibility gap from the mission because that's literally what it is. They're really going on a mission. Criticizing their fauth and questioning it is not the angle. But let's not pretend that this is not partially a wrestling decision.

[Gene Mills Fan]

17 hours ago, MPhillips said:

GOAT

Maybe Carl is just sticking his thumb up the NCAA's a.. ! He's a bit dismayed with Levi not getting a year and his one and only 5 time champ can now be equaled. This is he's subtle revolt against the new system since he will get less depth recruiting without a 'red shirt and fit in later promise". He's just showing the NCAA how wrong they are.

[GimJustafan]

12 hours ago, AlderPeak said:

The last time someone did a Catholic mission, it was the Crusades.

 

[Rassling]

51 minutes ago, juniorvarsity said:

Like I said earlier, it's hard to hate on. At the end of the day, they are doing something selfless and it's an admirable thing to do. However, I find it unlikely that they would do this if they were a starter. It's only an option to them because they are not starters and wrestling is important to them. Cael wouldn't want his starters doing this. 

Now there's a good way and a bad way to criticize this. Like most people, it's hard to separate the eligibility gap from the mission because that's literally what it is. They're really going on a mission. Criticizing their fauth and questioning it is not the angle. But let's not pretend that this is not partially a wrestling decision.

junior I respectively disagree. I do not believe wrestling had anything to do with their decision. I’ll keep R out of it but there are people who believe in something so sincerely and deeply they want to tell others about it. 

[1032004]

Just now, Rassling said:

junior I respectively disagree. I do not believe wrestling had anything to do with their decision.

You have to be kidding, lol

Edited Wednesday at 01:51 PM by 1032004

[1032004]

2 hours ago, Rassling said:

How in the world two individuals devoting a few years of their lives to helping others devolved into anything else but that is beyond me. I’ve never done so myself but know those who have. It’s admirable and probably a rewarding experience they will never forget. The vast majority of human beings would never travel away from friends family safety and comfort to a far a away place with extreme climate, primitive living conditions, lack of privacy, unfamiliar food and diseases and safety and security threats to help people they’ve never met before.

A few years?   Well, maybe if they can’t start next year either… 

We also don’t know how far and/or for how long they will actually be traveling. I was already seeing some speculation that they could complete it primarily in State College.

1 hour ago, juniorvarsity said:

Like I said earlier, it's hard to hate on. At the end of the day, they are doing something selfless and it's an admirable thing to do. However, I find it unlikely that they would do this if they were a starter. It's only an option to them because they are not starters and wrestling is important to them. Cael wouldn't want his starters doing this. 

Now there's a good way and a bad way to criticize this. Like most people, it's hard to separate the eligibility gap from the mission because that's literally what it is. They're really going on a mission. Criticizing their fauth and questioning it is not the angle. But let's not pretend that this is not partially a wrestling decision.

Is anyone actually criticizing their faith?  I’m sure they probably are religious guys, like most guys on the team it seems.   And as I said earlier, if anyone is being criticized, it’s Cael

 

51 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

Maybe Carl is just sticking his thumb up the NCAA's a.. ! He's a bit dismayed with Levi not getting a year and his one and only 5 time champ can now be equaled. This is he's subtle revolt against the new system since he will get less depth recruiting without a 'red shirt and fit in later promise". He's just showing the NCAA how wrong they are.

Yeah, I’d believe this before I’d believe that this decision had nothing to do with wrestling.

[JeanGuy]

I do have to say that among my concerns with what the NCAA has done this is pretty low on my list. Somehow, they allowed athletes to go from being reimbursed for their name, image, or likeness to straight up pay to play. The eligibility game especially in wrestling has been broken for a while and this doesn't really make a dent. The Olympic Redshirt has always been a joke. Medical Redshirting became a joke. The whole way the messed up the COVID stuff. It goes on and on. Religious missions have been around for a long time. The system has been broken for years.

Two guys saving a year that they would have been backups barely registers as a blip on my radar.

[Chiljx]

43 minutes ago, Rassling said:

junior I respectively disagree. I do not believe wrestling had anything to do with their decision. I’ll keep R out of it but there are people who believe in something so sincerely and deeply they want to tell others about it. 

PSU truly is a cult… the delusion of it all among some of the fan base is insane. 

[lowSingle155]

6 minutes ago, Chiljx said:

PSU truly is a cult… the delusion of it all among some of the fan base is insane. 

You get the same type of stuff from a portion of fans at Iowa ("T&T are great at developing kids, everyone else is cheating"), Nebby (just look at jajensen predictions), Okie State, etc. There are people with homer blinders on everywhere.

[RandolphTJones]

Is it possibly Jimmy Cinnabon took his own mission to reset his mind body and soul before he starts posting again? Cael may have set this up as well. 

[peanut]

18 minutes ago, Chiljx said:

PSU truly is a cult… the delusion of it all among some of the fan base is insane. 

What advantage for oneself is gained by not training for two years, and then coming back to a room full of elite talent that has been training the entire time? If an elite non-starter were hoping for a benefit to himself, wouldn't it make more sense to transfer to another school?

Edited Wednesday at 02:54 PM by peanut

[GimJustafan]

Unfortunately if there is a loophole someone will find it and exploit it  ,  

if indeed their volition is true and this is about their faith, then this is a moot point 

however, if they are staying at state college , training with the RTC , that's where the issue arises 

 

ask brock hardy how much wrestling he did on his 2 year mission ? 

[JeanGuy]

FYI the PSU roster is now posted.

 

[1032004]

31 minutes ago, peanut said:

What advantage for oneself is gained by not training for two years, and then coming back to a room full of elite talent that has been training the entire time? If an elite non-starter were hoping for a benefit to himself, wouldn't it make more sense to transfer to another school?

I have not seen any indication this will be for more than one year (although Cole will probably need another one if he can’t beat Connor).  And I don’t think it’s confirmed one way or the other whether or not they can still train with NLWC. My guess is they can.
 

[Chiljx]

Going on a mission primarily motivated by a religious calling = cool and legal

 

Going on a mission primarily motivated by roster management = slimy and legal

 

Just wish the PSU fans would own the fact it’s duplicitous, especially for a team that openly talks about their faith. For those maintaining the two wrestlers are simply and coincidentally answering a calling when it happens to positively impact a newly created loophole; you’re either 1. Trolling 2. In a cult 3. Or so naive to the world it’s a wonder you’re doing as well as you seemingly are in life. Can’t wait to hear Willie and Basch justify it tomorrow!

[Gene Mills Fan]

PSU website roster: 28 wrestlers no Davis picture.

[WrestlingRasta]

23 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

And I don’t think it’s confirmed one way or the other whether or not they can still train with NLWC. My guess is they can.
 

Just wanted to clarify, it is confirmed.  If I may make a suggestion, look up the actual rules.   You may not get the answer you were hoping for, but you will at least have the real answer and not have to rely on internet speculation to keep your hopes alive.