Mamdami's promises

[mspart]

16 hours ago, 1032004 said:

I don’t think the grocery stores are a good idea.

I can’t guarantee they will be successful long term but I’m ok with free buses and free childcare.    I also don’t think even Mamdani has claimed they “make economic sense,” moreso that he thinks they are a barrier he wants to remove for the lower class.  But there are some ways they might not be as bad as people think economically:

Free buses - reduces traffic and need for cars, and enables both workers and employers to have a wider geographic area that they can work at/hire, potentially improving home values (and thus property tax revenue) in further out parts of the city.

Free childcare - having to pay for childcare likely forces more families to have a parent stay home.   Free childcare removes that, creating a larger workforce or potential for starting a new small business.

I don’t agree with an extra tax on millionaires, but I think the extra tax for second homes makes sense.  Most of these people are by definition not NYC residents so they may not be there very often in order to contribute to the economy.  This tax could make it more likely that when these homes sell they are sold to actual residents.

I also am in favor of a policy he had to remove property tax caps - this was the source of the famous “whiter neighborhoods” line that a lot of RW talking heads flipped out about.   But he didn’t want to tax them at a higher rate than everyone else, currently they’re paying a lower rate so he just wanted everyone to pay the same rate.

Thank you for responding.   

I agree, groceries will not work long term.   Tax on millionaires will be counter productive as they will lose the money they collect from those guys.   

I disagree on the free buses.   this will allow everyone to get on the buses.   Here in Seattle, all of the homeless rode the buses and did fentanyl on them and this is well documented.   Bus ridership is low here in Seattle as a result.  

I am not sure what to do about childcare.   I am not for free stuff, but maybe that will be something that will make it more financially feasible to have kids.   There is no free lunch ever.   Someone is paying for it.   But we do this with schools so the precedent is there.   But with schools, everyone contributes.   Taxes will have to rise on eveyrone to pay for childcare just like for schools.   

This is what elections are about.   The people have to decide what they are willing to pay for and what they are not willing to pay for.   Someone has to pay for this stuff.   Going after the rich people will entice the rich people to leave.   So it is a destructive path to follow in my opinion.  

mspart

[1032004]

8 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

At no point in time would Newsome, or anyone for that matter, be able to change the requirements for his eligibility. Are you sure one person having that power is a road you want to travel down? 

Lol, I was just trolling a bit there.

[JimmySpeaks]

1 hour ago, red viking said:

Netanyahu should be arrested, imprisoned and executed if allowed by law. Hes a mass genocidal murderer  

This mamdi guy is sounding better and better all the time  

None of us are surprised you support communism. 

[ionel]

25 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

None of us are surprised you support communism. 

He's a rock star. 

[Offthemat]

14 minutes ago, ionel said:

He's a rock star. 

But is he a PostholeDigger in rock?

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

But is he a PostholeDigger in rock?

No ... thus we should not listen to him ... at least according to him.  

Edited July 31 by ionel

[Offthemat]

11 minutes ago, ionel said:

No ... thus we should not listen to him ... at least according to him.  

I’m trying real hard to quit. 

[Scouts Honor]

On 7/29/2026 at 9:13 PM, 1032004 said:

I’m saying Piker didn’t say the victims of 9/11 deserved it.

Yes, political commentator Hasan Piker said "America deserved 9/11" during an August 2019 Twitch livestream. [1, 2]

 

yes continue to split hairs

[ionel]

24 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

I’m trying real hard to quit. 

You should check out RRA (rock reply anonymous) they can help.  

Its now been two weeks since I last replied.

Edited July 31 by ionel

[Offthemat]

23 minutes ago, ionel said:

You should check out RRA (rock reply anonymous) they can help.  

Its now been two weeks since I last replied.

There’s three that I try to avoid their threads, but occasionally I backslide. 

[Lipdrag]

2 hours ago, mspart said:

The people have to decide what they are willing to pay for and what they are not willing to pay for.

Not any more.  People now decide what they want others to pay for.  I advocate the slogan / policy " No Representation without Taxation".   Conversely, if I am being texed I should get a vote regardless of where my house happens to be.  If you are not paying you should not get a say in what is paid for or how much.  If you are paying you should get a vote.

[1032004]

3 hours ago, mspart said:

Thank you for responding.   

I agree, groceries will not work long term.   Tax on millionaires will be counter productive as they will lose the money they collect from those guys.   

I disagree on the free buses.   this will allow everyone to get on the buses.   Here in Seattle, all of the homeless rode the buses and did fentanyl on them and this is well documented.   Bus ridership is low here in Seattle as a result.  

I am not sure what to do about childcare.   I am not for free stuff, but maybe that will be something that will make it more financially feasible to have kids.   There is no free lunch ever.   Someone is paying for it.   But we do this with schools so the precedent is there.   But with schools, everyone contributes.   Taxes will have to rise on eveyrone to pay for childcare just like for schools.   

This is what elections are about.   The people have to decide what they are willing to pay for and what they are not willing to pay for.   Someone has to pay for this stuff.   Going after the rich people will entice the rich people to leave.   So it is a destructive path to follow in my opinion.  

mspart

Yeah you probably are going to have to have some security on the buses, but I’m sure that’s already happening as is.   I’m not aware of a successful free citywide bus system, but I know some cities have limited free buses.  The Charm City Circulator in Baltimore has been operating for 16 years for example, it can’t be all that bad.

I think the thing about NYC and extra taxes for rich folk is that it’s still NYC.  It’s one-of-a-kind.  If they want to live in a city that has all NYC has to offer, many would still pay a premium for that.  And if some leave, maybe that will help with the affordability crisis.

[Caveira]

7 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Yeah you probably are going to have to have some security on the buses, but I’m sure that’s already happening as is.   I’m not aware of a successful free citywide bus system, but I know some cities have limited free buses.  The Charm City Circulator in Baltimore has been operating for 16 years for example, it can’t be all that bad.

I think the thing about NYC and extra taxes for rich folk is that it’s still NYC.  It’s one-of-a-kind.  If they want to live in a city that has all NYC has to offer, many would still pay a premium for that.  And if some leave, maybe that will help with the affordability crisis.

Free busses were kind of in place pre mamdalorian.   I suspect the people he wanted free fairs for were already not paying so they won’t actually be helped 

Prior to the 2025 mayoral election cycle and the subsequent "free bus" push from Mayor Zohran Mamdani, data from the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) shows that 50.6% of New York City bus riders did not pay their fare.

also.  You’ll ignore this part.  Left leaning cities don’t like enforcing laws : crime fighting etc.   they will let the junkies on the buses just like they have taken over the trains in nyc , Seattle Portland d Chicago etc    Let the literal poop start flying on the buses.  What could go wrong 

Edited July 31 by Caveira

[Offthemat]

7 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Free busses were kind of in place pre mamdalorian.   I suspect the people he wanted free fairs for were already not paying so they won’t actually be helped 

Prior to the 2025 mayoral election cycle and the subsequent "free bus" push from Mayor Zohran Mamdani, data from the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) shows that 50.6% of New York City bus riders did not pay their fare.

also.  You’ll ignore this part.  Left leaning cities don’t like enforcing laws : crime fighting etc.   they will let the junkies on the buses just like they have taken over the trains in nyc , Seattle Portland d Chicago etc    Let the literal poop start flying on the buses.  What could go wrong 

You can add Madison, WI to the list, now. 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

You can add Madison, WI to the list, now. 

 

regular humans / civilians be damned….

Madison bus drivers and local passengers report that the bus system frequently serves as a frontline shelter for individuals dealing with homelessness, drug addiction, and mental health crises. 
 

Because Madison winters are severe, individuals experiencing homelessness often utilize the standard city routes—and especially the entirely free UW-Madison campus lines (like Route 80)—to stay warm, rest, and ride back and forth for hours.

[Offthemat]

The nice things that make NYC unique are owned and operated by wealthy people, pretty much, for wealthy people.  It won’t stay that way long if they’re pushed out.  Those people are wealthy enough to live anywhere they want, but they didn’t get rich by paying more for stuff than it’s worth. 

[Scouts Honor]

 

[mspart]

Yep, you need an ID card to buy groceries but not to vote.   Makes sense. 

 

My son told me the other day that Mamdummy got crews and filled all the potholes in NYC.   i looked it up and it appears so but I never heard about it.   Does anyone have any info on this?   This was a good thing in my opinion.   If they did the job right.   In Hawaii (Oahu specifically) they would patch by pouring in some ashpault and tapping it with a shovel and move on to the next pothole.   Job guarantee!!

mspart

[Offthemat]

44 minutes ago, mspart said:

Yep, you need an ID card to buy groceries but not to vote.   Makes sense. 

 

My son told me the other day that Mamdummy got crews and filled all the potholes in NYC.   i looked it up and it appears so but I never heard about it.   Does anyone have any info on this?   This was a good thing in my opinion.   If they did the job right.   In Hawaii (Oahu specifically) they would patch by pouring in some ashpault and tapping it with a shovel and move on to the next pothole.   Job guarantee!!

mspart

I think they use oatmeal, here. 

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

Yep, you need an ID card to buy groceries but not to vote.   Makes sense. 

 

My son told me the other day that Mamdummy got crews and filled all the potholes in NYC.   i looked it up and it appears so but I never heard about it.   Does anyone have any info on this?   This was a good thing in my opinion.   If they did the job right.   In Hawaii (Oahu specifically) they would patch by pouring in some ashpault and tapping it with a shovel and move on to the next pothole.   Job guarantee!!

mspart

In.  Chicago they fill 10% of the pot holes per street seemingly at random.   They over flow them with tar/asphalt.  As the cars drive over them they make the pot holes literally far worse.    Yea city!

its never worse the next year and they never raise taxes to “fix” it

Edited August 5 by Caveira

[1032004]

On 7/31/2026 at 6:18 PM, Offthemat said:

The nice things that make NYC unique are owned and operated by wealthy people, pretty much, for wealthy people.  It won’t stay that way long if they’re pushed out.  Those people are wealthy enough to live anywhere they want, but they didn’t get rich by paying more for stuff than it’s worth. 

They’re not getting pushed out though, that’s the thing.  A few might choose to leave because they have to pay about 0.01% or so more of their income in taxes.  Most of them aren’t going anywhere.

[Caveira]

10 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

They’re not getting pushed out though, that’s the thing.  A few might choose to leave because they have to pay about 0.01% or so more of their income in taxes.  Most of them aren’t going anywhere.

A widely cited analysis by the nonpartisan Citizens Budget Commission found that more than 125,000 New York City residents moved to Florida between 2018 and 2022, taking nearly $14 billion in adjusted gross income (AGI) with them. Roughly $10 billion of that went to the Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach areas alone.

0.01 is laughable 

Edited August 5 by Caveira

[1032004]

16 minutes ago, Caveira said:

A widely cited analysis by the nonpartisan Citizens Budget Commission found that more than 125,000 New York City residents moved to Florida between 2018 and 2022, taking nearly $14 billion in adjusted gross income (AGI) with them. Roughly $10 billion of that went to the Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach areas alone.

$14 billion / 125k people = $112k.  That’s lower class by NYC standards.

[alex1fly]

On 7/28/2026 at 7:54 PM, JimmySpeaks said:

You won’t find fraud if you don’t look for it.  Which is exactly what happens in blue states.  And my comment was far from a rant.  lol

Are you really not aware of fraudulent activities in Republican states/cities/counties recently? It's pretty shocking, some of what has gone down. Embezzlement, voter fraud, executive overreach, cronyism... and that's just a few items recently.

Right wing media doesn't report it. Or they spin it to make it not sound bad.

If you want to know what's going on, you have to seek multiple viewpoints. "My side is better than your side" really doesn't help anybody, because it lets the people in power continue to accumulate power instead of working FOR us on the things we all want. We can prob all agree that our country/culture is on a bad path right now and if we keep picking at each other instead of uniting around the sh** that matters then nothing is going to change.

Anyways that's my preachy take on it lol

[Lipdrag]

On 8/3/2026 at 11:25 PM, Scouts Honor said:

 

So he is erecting a border?!?  Identifying who is there and checking that against a status of citizenship, or residence, or taxpaying, or what?!?

Can only taxpayers get in?  Or only residents?  Citizens?  What will be the criteria for refusing entry?  I could be a landlord who pays thousands and thousands of dollars of taxes in New York but live in Connecticut.  Do I get in?  How about a homeless guy with no address, no ID, and who pays no taxes?  Does he get in?  What a conundrum!!

I will bet MS-13 gets in.  Probably escorted in by Mamdani himself.