billyhoyle

Sounds like you have a Very Peculiar Need to watch an event and given Flo's questionable business practices it causes us fans to Vent Profusely Needlessly. It's too bad they don't offer an easier way to View Particular Noteworthy events.

But given the major choices it’s clear the difference between UNC, Stanford, and Cornell in terms of reputation are insignificant. The main driver of choice for most is the elite wrestling program combined with being a very good school.

Think about it like this: Before Koll was at Stanford, the recruits who went there were significantly worse than the years he was coach. A similar pool of athletes had the option to apply to/attend Stanford, but they did not do so. Athletes were choosing to go to Stanford in large part because of Koll. With Koll leaving, they will of course consider the option to leave with him. Ayres is a great hire, and I think he will be able to convince many to stay who may not have otherwise done so. Based on your username, it sounds like you attended Cornell...How many of the athletes there were really focused on academics to a point where the switch to another great school like UNC would matter? There are only a handful of career paths (if any actually) where the difference between UNC/Cornell/Stanford undergrad matters.

Seems like a great choice because he saw first hand how Koll operated. But he might have to move into a smaller house coming from South Dakota-so it would be a lifestyle change. Nickerson seems to be under the radar, but he's done a good job given the circumstances. Would love to see him get a shot as well. I imagine Novo will have input on this decision so not sure if he has preferences based on his interactions with USAW. Maybe Bill Zaddick or Slay?

1. We don't know how many of these recruits are going to stay at Stanford vs move to UNC. Koll has already said he will try to flip the commitments. I hope Ayres is able to keep as many as he can. 2. The ACC move is a disaster for Stanford athletics. They are going to be taking in ~$16 million less per year compared to what they previously received from the PAC12. The ACC itself may fall apart within a year or two if Clemson, Florida State, and UNC leave the conference (note-all three voted against Stanford joining). There are going to be some very important decisions made within the athletic department. Where will the cuts go? Are they going to invest into the football program to the point where it can be competitive again and potentially survive the realignment? If not, what will the athletic department look like with a smaller budget? 3. Chris Ayres taking this job is great news. The #1 priority needs to be trying to keep Stanford wrestling as a D1 program, and he has already shown an ability to fundraise exceptionally well and build a competitive program. For him to leave Princeton and take the job, there must have been some fairly strong reassurances. So this is really a great day from what was a terrible couple of weeks for the program.

I agree that keeping the coaching staff intact makes the most sense. I don't see how they will be able to recruit a top candidate for the job given the financial uncertainty of the athletic department. However, if the University is 100% sure that it is committed to the wrestling program being a part of its future (even with the 16 million/year loss in revenue), then it could make sense to try to hire somebody and try to keep some of the recruits/athletes. I just can't imagine that they know what Stanford athletics will be 12 months from now.

Ok, it's relieving that they can't eliminate it entirely. I guess they'll just have to make some major across the board cuts to account for the lost revenue. I don't see why this would be existential for Bakersfield since they weren't getting football/basketball Pac12 revenue.

Stanford is only going to get 30% of the media revenue compared to the current ACC schools, meaning they are going to take in 17 million per year less than they currently do in the PAC12. Add on that the additional travel costs.....They've said they aren't planning to cut any sports, but this situation is not good. And if UNC, Clemson, and Florida State (all of whom voted no on the ACC expansion) leave the ACC, which it makes sense for them to do, I can only imagine the media revenue going down even more.

I think I’m going to wait for National Tucking Sweatshirt into Sweatpants and Sweatpants into Socks Day.

Most people take the latter option because you end up making more money when you sell the house. But they do offer below market housing as well to those who don’t want higher monthly payments, which looks a lot like the first option (you just can’t really sell it for a profit when you leave). What makes more sense: 1. That he isn’t considered important enough staff to have access to the subsidized housing program and somebody as smart as Rob Koll wouldn’t have looked into housing prices before making the move to make sure it works. 2. Some other reason is driving this decision: maybe the fact that Stanford athletics is in complete turmoil and UNC isn’t a bad escape route given his connection to the Uni and the great job Coleman Scott has done.

I think it will be very difficult to hire a big name coach I'm worried about Oregon State and to a lesser extent Stanford. They're both going to get millions less in TV revenue per year with the realignment. Cuts will have to be made somewhere, and it is too often wrestling that is the casualty.

Yeah-it did sound tongue in cheek. I meant that taking that statement as the reason for the move doesn't make sense given what Stanford offers to its faculty/staff..not that he was purposefully trying to mislead anyone. I think it makes a ton of sense to leave Stanford athletics-They are about to get 15 million less per year with the ACC TV deal compared to what they were getting with the Pac 12. And in 2024 they have to travel to wrestle ACC teams? The situation is a complete mess, and the writing has been on the wall since the USC/UCLA announcement. I don't believe this for a second. Stanford Athletics is in a very different place today compared to when he was hired.

What about what I said is off? Stanford has multiple programs that help you purchase housing if you are an employee under certain job titles. I believe one is a low-interest/interest free loan and another is buying a house at a subsidized price that you are required to sell back to the university (it's basically on-campus houses that are owned by the university and "sold" to employees, who then have to sell them back at a similar price to the purchase price). Here is the link to what they offer-it's very generous: https://fsh.stanford.edu/about-us#:~:text=Our office administers Stanford's housing,and homes at reduced rents. I'm sure he had many reasons to leave after two years, but lack of housing couldn't have been one of them.

This is misleading, since Stanford provides very affordable houses to purchase for their faculty. I'm assuming the same is true for their head wrestling coach that they spent a decent amount of money to bring in. He even said in the interview that the NC house was going to be their second home, implying that they did have a home in the Bay Area.

No chance: https://owrestle.com/andrew-howe-reportedly-to-be-fired-from-northwestern-for-refusal-to-get-covid-19-vaccine/

Why should wrestlers help with this? Why not just transfer somewhere that can provide a better education?

Nice. Looking forward to their schedule release.

I’m not saying he isn’t going to leave. The whole concept behind going to Stanford though was that they were a sleeping giant and basically he could build a better version of Cornell out west with scholarships. UNC has a weaker recruiting base and weaker alumni donation base than both Stanford and Cornell. So I’m not sure what he will actually be able to do there that he hasn’t already.

Rob Koll leaving Stanford for UNC would call into question why he left Cornell. UNC is a very difficult job.

I think you're just a bit confused about the premise in the thread. I'm not saying people stop trying. You're not special that you kept trying throughout the match. What OP said is why is there a lot of nothing happening at the end of the match-at a high level of wrestling-fighting ties and hand fighting is wrestling. No point in taking a stupid shot. Here's the post from OP as a refresher-notice the emphasis on losing by pin/tech. So if you in fact did follow what OP is suggesting and do everything possible at the end to win until you lose by tech/pin, that would be special because no wrestler actually does that.

I just find it hard to believe you've never been overmatched in a match to the point where you really didn't have anything left at the end. The best wrestlers in the world will hit the point in some matches that they realize it isn't happening-and throwing a pointless headlock isn't going to make a difference.. It's a normal part of competing, and I'm just surprised you wrestled through college with a record of wins and only losing by pin-sounds like you have a better attitude than even the greats in the sport.

So you’re saying you never lost a match in a tournament by 6-10 points? And you did this through wrestling in college?

I didn't say comebacks don't happen. Just that it's not like a video game where you hit a button and try for a hail mary pass. Rohn had that cement mixer in him and hit it on multiple people at that tournament. That doesn't mean it's worth it for most people to throw random headlocks. I can only assume that people who are amazed at why some people will lose by 10 and seem not to do much at the end of the match haven't wrestled beyond high school.

There's a reason what you described is so common. These guys are elite wrestlers and can tell when it isn't happening in a match. This isn't youth and high school wrestling. At a certain point if you are down enough points you are wrestling for your pride as well and are just trying to stay in the match.

Losing a match isn't a reason to start wrestling like an idiot.