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Was the OSU-Iowa debacle? The Feb. 2019 dual in Stillwater? The one where Picc pinned Spencer Lee?

On the front side he lost to Zahid. On the back side Downey. Maybe Starocci? With 4 wrestlers in one bracket perhaps the one they felt had the worst chance of winning the spot felt like they didn't put enough time into his preparation. Full brackets - https://www.trackwrestling.com/tw/opentournaments/VerifyPassword.jsp?tournamentId=600803132

Timeline of Flo streaming issues February 2017 - OSU-PSU dual https://www.cowboysrideforfree.com/2017/2/20/14671314/flowrestling-offers-apology-refund-for-fans-after-site-crashes-during-meet "Fans of the two teams who couldn’t make it to Gallagher-Iba Arena to watch had the option to view the match live on FloWrestling.com, who grabbed exclusive broadcasting rights. Unfortunately, the site wasn’t up to the task. FloWrestling’s site crashed at the beginning of the meet, leaving those who had paid the $20 subscription fee to watch out of luck." Flo's response -https://www.flowrestling.org/video/5748204-frl-181-martin-floreani-on-the-osu-vs-psu-failure “We brought a committee together all of our top engineers across Flo sports and we’re going to be looking to to really teardown find the weakness within our platform and expose those weaknesses on our own time and in a testing environments so that something like this doesn’t happen.” CP: "How confident are you that we're not going to run into this kind of issue down the road?" Martin: "I'm very confident..." "We got Tech Falled." January 2019 - Flo signed deal with DC United to distribute their home matches to the local market. March 2019 - Issues arise with the quality of Flo's Stream in the first DC United game of the season. May 2019 - Issues with the quality of Flo's DC United stream have not been sorted. The stream cuts out at critical time of a match with New England Revolution as Martin/Flo is courting MLS for league wide rights after the current deal expires in 2022. https://theathletic.com/1000851/2019/05/29/flo-sports-broadcasts-have-d-c-united-fans-seeing-red/ "D.C. United’s encounter with the New England Revolution last weekend was a slow burner, a game that only picked up its pace in the dying moments. After United captain Wayne Rooney converted a 90th-minute penalty kick, he sprinted into the goal to retrieve the ball, eager to get play underway and find a potential game-winner. Many United fans likely crept to the edge of their seats in anticipation, eager to see that happen. What they ended up seeing for the bulk of the seven minutes of stoppage time was instead a red screen, the “technical difficulties” card of FloSports, the club’s broadcast partner. It was the latest in a frustrating series of events for United fans, many of whom pay as much as $8.99 per month to watch their club’s home games. " https://awfulannouncing.com/streaming/flosports-is-talking-to-rest-of-mls-about-obtaining-local-tv-rights.html "DC United and FC Cincinnati fans weren’t thrilled about FloSports in the first place. It’s not so much about the company itself, it’s that in an era where people are paying for multiple streaming services, they now have to pay for one more just to watch their team and are probably only going to pay to watch their team. Some probably won’t bother. It wouldn’t be so bad if DC United and FC Cincinnati chose someone like ESPN+ because ESPN+ is not only less expensive ($5 per month compared to $20 per month) but offers way more soccer options than FloSports (out of market local MLS games, USL, US Open Cup, EFL, FA Cup, EFL Cup, Serie A, etc.) And since ESPN+ has plenty of other programming and mainstream sports available, it’s at least a platform many non-MLS fans subscribe to, putting the league in front of new fans. That will not happen if MLS moves to FloSports." Oct 2019 - DC United terminates $12 million 4 year rights deal that started in March 2019 after complaints from fans of technical issues and cost. DC United fans were paying significantly less than wrestling fans are charged and had access to all the same stuff as wrestling fans. DC United likely had to pay an exit fee to terminate the agreement and streamed their remaining matches for free missing out on rights money for those games. It is also likely that they were not able to find anther rights parter willing to pay $9 million for the three years they had remaining. It was likely a disastrous deal for United and Flo. https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/dc-united-flosports-streaming-deal-ended-mls-tv-rights "The move brings to an end what proved to be a problematic deal for DC United. Fans of the franchise were initially unhappy at having to pay between US$5.99 and US$8.99 per month for FloSports, which was compounded when the streaming service suffered technical difficulties. DC United’s draw against New York City FC in March, for example, was marred by interruptions. June 2020 - Flo's other MLS team terminates their rights deal for similar reasons as DC United midway through the second year of the deal. Flo's product was not up capable of meeting the demands of even the worst team in MLS. https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/fc-cincinnati-flosports-streaming-tv-rights-local-cancel/ "FC Cincinnati were forced to defend the FloSports deal last year after fans aired frustrations that the platform was technically unstable and prohibitively expensive. Annual subscriptions for the 2019 season were priced at US$150, with the first 2,000 to sign up receiving a discounted rate of US$99 for the year." "Fans who have purchased FC Cincinnati subscriptions on FloSports for 2020 will be given refunds." June 2023 - Final X CP "Unacceptable streaming quality for Final X." "Steps are going to be taken to make sure it doesn't happen again." and again and again and again and again.

You're right. Let's change Zain's birth certificate because he moved to PA.

No If Jimmy starts a thread asking the question "Is Chance Marstellar the best wrestler freestyler that grew up in Pennsylvania that we have this year?" "No Zain Retherford is better" would be a valid answer. To the question he asked Retherford is not a valid answer. What do you not understand?

No. We aren't pretending he was born in PA.

https://www.flowrestling.org/video/5748204-frl-181-martin-floreani-on-the-osu-vs-psu-failure

At final X I'm pretty sure it was just him and Nolf. I don't think any of the ladies were born in PA. Kennedy Blades attended Wyoming Seminary but I'm pretty sure she is an out of stater.

The same Zain Retherford that was born in Kenosha, WI? I don't believe he is eligible for the question as posed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zain_Retherford

Aaron Brooks was in that bracket with Taylor and Nickal too. Presumably his opinion on the matter would be highly relevant. Did Nick Lee wrestle Retherford in the consolations? Even if they did wrestle I can't imagine Brooks was referring to that.

FC Cincinnati fan thought $150/year was prohibitively expensive. "FC Cincinnati were forced to defend the FloSports deal last year after fans aired frustrations that the platform was technically unstable and prohibitively expensive. Annual subscriptions for the 2019 season were priced at US$150, with the first 2,000 to sign up receiving a discounted rate of US$99 for the year." They could have told their season ticket holders that $150/year is cheaper than traveling to the 17 road games per season. Instead they terminated the dealer after less than 1.5 seasons. https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/fc-cincinnati-flosports-streaming-tv-rights-local-cancel/?zephr_sso_ott=VGSHXq

That's probably true if you go to the individual sport website (baseball, wrestling, grappling, whatever), but if you sign up with a team or conference they have different pricing. I think you can get as cheap as $12.50 billed monthly or $7.99/month billed annually. https://go.flosports.tv/partner/caa Back when they had MLS teams you could get it even cheaper $8.99 billed monthly or $5.99 billed annually. Wrestling is one of the most expensive ways to sign up for Flo because there is little to no competition in this sport. Fans are not used to paying a reasonable price for a service. They are used to not having any access whatsoever so $30/mo doesn't sound that bad. Flo bought their only US competitor Trackwrestling some years ago, which in my opinion can only be seen as a negative for fans.

They can reuse that video over and over. That dual was 2017? The DC United fiasco was 2019. Their only other MLS team, DC Cincinnati dropped them in 2020. It was amazing how right quick the plug was pulled on their crappy service when they tried to take on a sport with a more sizable fan base. MLS fans were only paying $9/mo vs the $30/mo they try and get out of wrestling fans and they weren't putting up with this for even a season.

Before this event they had been better with their streams. I remember a couple years ago they simply could not provide a reliable stream to a major event. Not sure how many wrestling fans were aware of this but Flo Sports had streaming deals with some MLS teams to distribute their matches. They signed a 4 year deal with DC United starting in 2019 and the very first broadcast was plagued by service interruptions that they never fully solved. Flo reportedly paid $12million for the broadcast rights and the team terminated the contract after less than a year, offered refunds to fans, and streamed the rest of their matches for free on the teams website. It would seem like the inability to stream a major event without interruption has costs Flo millions of dollars and should be something they have sorted by now. https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/dc-united-flosports-streaming-deal-ended-mls-tv-rights/?zephr_sso_ott=s0FZRU "The move brings to an end what proved to be a problematic deal for DC United. Fans of the franchise were initially unhappy at having to pay between US$5.99 and US$8.99 per month for FloSports, which was compounded when the streaming service suffered technical difficulties. DC United’s draw against New York City FC in March, for example, was marred by interruptions."

If you sign up with Flo Wrestling they monthly option sucks - $30/month or $150/year. If you sign up with another Flo "parallel" you can get a much more reasonable price $12.50 billed monthly or $8/month billed yearly and you have access to all parallels.

If you give RamofTheEast an opportunity to talk about his faith he will take it, lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQU6CMJX4EM

Who doesn't like a big drama show? Pyles dropped the ball to follow up questions on a few things in this interview. Going back to the original topic of this thread Brooks says "We discussed that ahead of time. I think it was at the Olympic Trials in 2021 when they really realized okay a lot of our guys are going to be competing with each other in the finals. So I think a free that because they didn't really discuss it before then and some stuff happened some controversy. So I think now they are like okay let's just be realistic let's figure this out ahead of time so we're not doing somebody dirty like we did at the Olympic Trials." How does Pyles not try and get him to expand on how someone was done dirty?

I think you think that Brooks is wrong about something. I'm not exactly sure what. I'd imagine it is something you feel was implied by his statements. I really wish when Brooks says these crazy things in interviews they would ask him follow up questions and go down the rabbit hole a bit rather than trying to steer things back on course. For example Brooks said "I don’t know who gave those to Yazdani, maybe a club coach, um a long time friend”. I would have liked Pyles to ask "I noticed you didn't list God/the Holy Spirit as a possible source of Yazdani's under hooks. Is that because you ruled them out as a potential source of his under hooks?". And when he said they were different I'd like to see him asked how they are different? Are they more effective? Less effective?

I am a HUGE fan of Aaron Brooks saying crazy religious stuff in interviews. Give me more of it! It is must watch, so much better than just thanking a generic god in a generic way. If Yazdani ever wrestles him and wins then I would like nothing more than for Yazdani in his post match interview thank his God and point out some false Christian belief. Call the Holy Spirit a false god. Exactly! Would Yazdani dispute this statement? It is my understanding that Muslims so not believe the Holy Spirit to be God. Yazdani himself is unlikely to believe that his under hook is derived from the Holy Spirit. Brooks is more likely to get pushback from Christians on this point than Muslims. Correct. Aaron Brooks believes the Holy Spirit to be God. This is the same thing to Aaron Brooks. I doubt Yazdani would say that the Holy Spirit gave him under hooks. He might say that God did, but that is probably a little different than what Brooks intended given the earlier statement. Isn't this how religions work? Are there actually Christians that think that the Islamic belief that Jesus of Nazareth was not a God is as valid/more valid/superior to their own belief that Jesus Christ is God? Are there Muslims that think the Christian belief that Jesus Christ was the son of God to be as valid/more valid/superior to their own belief that he was merely a prophet of Allah? Are there major world religions that don't have conflicting beliefs? It would seem to me that if anyone accepted all teachings of any major religion as true that would result in a logical conclusion that some central belief of a competing religion is false. Should athletes only talk about aspects of their religion that don't conflict with other major religions at press conferences?

He didn't say Yazdani's were not from God. He said "I don't know who gave those to Yazdani." It is possible that God gave them to Yazdani and Brooks is simply unaware of that fact.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CtULQMgsDjB/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Are the limp and crutches all an act? Playing possum?

He did a lot with a little. Three wins on only 6 points scored and shut out in 3 losses. He didn't bother scoring if he wasn't going to win the match. It's wise to be efficient in a multi day tournament like this. Compare this with that 167lb bracket from 1984. I have doubts that Melvin Douglas was actually injured. I think he probably just blew his load in that first round match that he won 35-0. It was the most points put up by a wrestler in a match in the entire tournament. Wore himself out by the quarterfinal round. Hilger on the other hand wasn't going to waste any energy scoring points that weren't going to win him a match.

It was worse than that. He was 3-3 for the tournament with 2 forfeits and a 6th place finish. His overall scoring differential was -4 (8-12). 1st round L Dec 4-3 Jelic (Pitt) 1st round consolations W FFT Degenova (Temple) R12 W FFT Douglas (OU) - AA Finish Assured Consi-Semis 1 W Dec 1-0 Williams (Utah State) Consi-Semis 2 L Dec 4-2 Carver (Fresno State) 5th Place Match L Dec 4-2 Relic (Pitt) I don't think a negative scoring differential for an AA is really that unusual. I mean it's not typical, but it probably happens to a couple guys each year. All you really need is a guy to get his doors blown off by a Spencer Lee/David Taylor/Zain Retherford type and win several close matches. Getting an AA placement without winning a match by anything other than FFT? That has to be very unusual. Maybe a handful of times in history. Drew Hildebrandt had a negative scoring differential when he placed 4th in 2019. W Dec 3-0, W Dec 2-1, W Dec 4-2 (SV), L MD 11-0 (Spencer Lee), W Dec 5-4, L Dec 5-3. Overall that is 17-21 for -4 differential over a 4-2 record with a 4th place finish.

I don't think it will work that way. If you make all scoring actions with 2x their former value and rescore all matches you will find that the margin of victory/defeat has doubled. The matches have not changed. It may be that instead of having matches with 0-2 point difference being stallfest with one guy planning to steal a takedown at the end of the match to win/force OT the same thing now commonly happens in matches with a 0-3 point difference. Idealling I'd like to see the number of scoring actions in a match increase not necessarily just points.

I wonder if the number of MD and TF will increase by a statistically significant amount with this change. It would seem like the points are being inflated with no adjustment to the MD and NF thresholds. It would be interesting to compare the rate of TF and MD in the 2014-2015 (back when NFs were only 2 or 3 points) to next season with a 3 point takedown and 4 point NFs.