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I think you'd need a VERY wealthy benefactor to come in and really fund that RTC and NIL money to even get this discussion started. The NLWC is so far ahead of even Iowa in revenue(I think they're over 2X Iowa)...if Askren and his Brother are going to give up AWA and all connections to their Wrestling School, they'd probably want a better situation.

I thought Hamiti had a real shot at '49 next year...

I don't think anyone said he would. They said perhaps he wouldn't use his 6th year, or worst case, Mason has to sit a year.

Was there some? Yeah...I believed it. I had no reason to other than...it kinda made sense, but there was that belief! I do wonder how hard it'll be for PSU to recruit some of this elite talent at some weights knowing...they're not going to see the mat in the near future. Gibson going there made no sense to me(Erik). Even before Messenbrink. But I guess if you're a stud, you believe you'll win that spot.

My bad. I made a couple of mistakes. 1-I was confusing the NFHS scoring system. 2-I still got that wrong. They used to give 2 advancement points, now it's 1. So the scoring difference would be the same...if not for that minor detail that It's for HS Wrestling!

Yeah, we know. You're all too predictable. You'd be against stopping the Rape of Nanking. That's just the type of morally superior person you are.

Idiots like you throw out the word genocide with absolutely ZERO meaning. The population prior to the worst attack on the Jews since the Holocaust had gone up drastically in Palestine. That doesn't seem like a people trying to commit Genocide. On the flip side, you ACTUALLY have one group espousing their desire FOR genocide. They want ONLY genocide. They want the death of all Jews in NO uncertain terms. They do not want peace, they've passed up negotiations in which they were given nearly everything they said they wanted on several different occasions. The Mothers openly "brag" about how many children they're having to "send to death, to send toward martyrdom." ----Link since I know you'd cry about it like it's not true; They were the people working with the Nazi's in the mid-30s, years before the war, then pulling little mobile ovens to exterminate Jews during the second WW. So only one side actually wants Genocide, they're just exceptionally bad at it. They have ONE singular goal. A world in which Jews do not exist. You have elected leaders saying they wish ALL the Jews were in Israel... because it'd be easier to kill them all that way. I can't with you incredible morons who speak in memes and just throw out these words that once held some gravity and now hold none. Israel wants NOTHING to do with Gaza! They handed it back to the Palestinians in the HOPE that FINALLY after soooo many times being provided the opportunity they could finally self-govern...and yet again, we see they could not. They immediately elected Hamas. And of course, all the anti-semites out there want to blame Israel for closing their border and creating an "open-air prison." Well, we've seen WHY Israel wouldn't want an open border with Hamas(again and again and again). This begs the question though...why does EGYPT have it's border closed? They were part of several wars/attacks when it was basically the Middle East vs Israel with very little American aid/involvement(though the tankies don't seem to understand that). But the question, why does Egypt also have a closed border? Why hasn't Egypt taken control of oversight in Gaza? Why is Israel still providing the people who ACTUALLY want to commit GENOCIDE with water and power and jobs and food...but not Egypt? Egypt was given the opportunity to have its CRIPPLING debt wiped out if they would become the...custodians of the Gaza Strip until the Palestinians can FINALLY get their shit in order and self Govern...without throwing the previous Gov't off the rooftops and Egypt refused. Why? They would rather suffer imminent economic ruin than oversee a small piece of land with their long-time allies? Because they don't want the terrorists in Egypt either. Because, per the Egyptian Gov't, "we don't want to end up like the PLA." You're comically ignorant and you speak in Twitter memes. And even as I mocked you for doing it already in this thread, you replied with...exactly that.

I'm just assuming Basset is going to PSU. His Cousins were going to Cornell, they flipped, they're close...apparently. Same HS. I'd go Wrestle with my Cousin if given the choice. He also works out at PSU, he's from PA...just my guess.

I mean...it's Iowa, they've got quite a bit of resources themselves. They have plenty of NIL money to be able to compete. But that's beside the point. I was simply...adjusting for the scoring differences.

Has anyone done the match and figured out what the team scores would be with the same scoring system? I've seen people saying PSU only broke the record because of the 3 pt TD and 4 pt NF, but...obviously the scoring is different. Advancement points were not awarded to PSU and Iowa losses(presumably) some points for placement. Off the top of my head, 6 Wrestlers made it to the finals. Advancement points on those Wrestlers, 1 point per win on the front side, 6X4, 24 points. 125-Davis 2 wins on the front side. 2 more points. 133-Nagao 3 wins on the backside. .5 points per win there. 1.5 '41, '49, '57, '65, '74, 184-Truax 2 wins on the front side 2 points, 4 wins on the backside, 2 more points. 197, HWT So they get 24 more from the finalists, 2 from Davis, 1.5 at '33, Truax 4 points. 31.5 more points They LOSE points due to the scoring. 3rd was worth 9 points in '97, 10 points now, so -1 for Kasak. 5th is worth 7 points, it was worth 5. So -3. PSU adds 28.5 points. Iowa gains 3 at 142 for a 6th place finish Gain 2 at 167(everyone else is in the finals through 167 Iowa gains 5 points. So PSU is +23.5 points due to the scoring. Has this already been done? I'm doing this as I type and not being real thorough. Anything else I've missed?

Yeah...but I genuinely think it's actually getting worse. Penn State's "holes," in their lineup last year were the 125 who was a Freshmen, who was the #1 seed, their 133 who took a 5th last year and...184, the 3X AA who took a 5th this year? I think they have more PREP talent coming in this year and the next two than any 3 year period since Cael has been there(or maybe more accomplished prep talent). That talent does not always translate to the next level, but it's pretty insane. Obviously doesn't mean that these guys will be a the trios they've had, DT, Ruth, Q or Zain, Nolf, Nickal, or Starocci, Brooks and RBY. I can't see anyone pushing them but Ohio State in the near future. But with these kids teching former National Champs, who knows.

They're just building... I would pay to see a College version of the Dapper Dan, but just PSU. PSU vs the rest of the Country. It's ridiculous that you could do that and not only would it be closer, I don't think anyone would be shocked if PSU won.

So...the antithesis of you?

There are two sides to me on this one. One of me just wants to see PSU with like...3 guys per weight who could win a NC just to see PSU be the first team to one-up Minnesota with 10 in the Finals(no more than 8 champs though). And then there's the other side of me that thinks this is already ridiculous and it'd be much cooler if these kids would just Wrestle for another team like Ohio State who could actually push them or Iowa, ISU...I don't care. Okie State? But yeah, they'll probably be at PSU because...why wouldn't they.

My mistake. He was 16 at the time of his non-Snyder loss and the neck injury. 153-3 and Snyder's is pretty good and he did not look like himself at the last WC. The point was...he's been pretty good.

It may...but he's a small HWT and he was supposed to be a blue chip recruit. People were talking about him winning a title as a Freshmen. Also...there are a lot of "dancing Bears," but the elite HWTs can move and I was talking more about becoming an All-American. Yonger Bastida, Kerkvliet, Elam, Trumble...and I'm not going to keep thinking of athletic HWTs as there are a LOT more.

Yeah...your reading comprehension sucks. I am NOT making an argument he's leaving. I explicitly said I don't think it's a realistic option. You're creating an argument out of nothing. Smh

These mindless, "America-bad," people are so insufferable. It's their entire personality and the extent of their political ideology and belief system. Don't shut it down. You have the right to be ignorant all you want in this Country.

Is this serious? He's not being banned for supporting Putin or NOT supporting Putin, he's been banned for supporting the unprovoked invasion of another Country. It's a wild comparison. You have athletes who are competing who believe Gay people should be thrown off buildings. Acting like starting an unprovoked war is on the level of just who you prefer politically is...a massive jump here.

I believe he has one who graduated Medical School and completed his residency two years ago and another who was Johnny Thompson's backup at Okie St.

-Cool. Might as well not Wrestle then because "just no." And no, I do not have to believe that Taylor has taken this big step back in order to believe that Brooks could beat him. I COULD(and do) think that Brooks is now comfortably at the weight he'll be wrestling at and that he's in fact taken a big jump and that may be what it takes to be Taylor. You're acting like this is something you can quantify. Like a couple of sprinters. Taylor ran a 9.6, Brooks a 9.9. The ONLY way you could believe Brooks could win is if he runs a sub 9.6. That's not how Wrestling works. One big TD, feet to back and it could and likely will end that match. Brooks is certainly capable of that. He's also capable of hand-fighting, hanging in there and winning a 2-1 match IMO with a pushout and a...DT going on the 30 second clock. I do not think Taylor will lose, but I think it's reasonable enough that it's not some CRAZY upset pick like Snyder getting knocked off and I think it could simply be the result of Brooks jumping levels.

Well...IF you believe that Sadulaev was injured for his last loss, then his losses on the Sr circuit are as a 13-year-old and a 6-5 loss to Snyder after bumping up a weight class. I'd put Sadulaev as my #1. It's subjective of course, reasonable people can disagree(and unreasonable people can argue with me and claim Dake is ahead of Sadulaev because he wrestles a tougher weight)...but a pretty strong argument could be made there. The argument they have over DT is that they won at multiple weights. Saitiev and Sadulaev. But I'm certainly not going to argue against DT very hard. It is a reason I'd like to see him go one more cycle. If he could manage to get a couple more WCs and MAYBE one more Olympics, then...it'd be really interesting. Of course I don't find the OPs premise as absurd as others on here do.

For the same reason that the punishment is different from walking up to a man on the street and beating him(and violently raping his wife) and that man, after being hit every few years for DECADES deciding he's going to stop that man from continuing to punch him...and rape his wife. Can ya understand that "high-end logic?" Also, side note, is there "high end logic," and "low end logic?" Or is it just...logic? Shower thoughts.

My issue is...how the hell do we know what these athletes truly feel? We've seen Iranian Wrestlers executed. I don't have any clue what the repercussions would be for Sadulaev to turn down an "invitation," at Putins request to show up and be at that "rally." Where there's not really free speech, it's hard for me to judge the speech of the people too much. That's all.

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