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Well...33 years vs 30 years overall They're also about the same age but John Smith is maybe the greatest Wrestler in American History, he had won 5 Team Titles, won 2 himself(the family success also relevant as Pat was a 4X NC under John) and he...pretty much as been the face of Oklahoma State Wrestling for the past almost 40 years. Tom Ryan Wrestled at Iowa, he won a Title at Ohio State and has had a great deal of success but...if you're telling me that John Smith can be pushed out of the way at Okie State, but Tom Ryan can't at Ohio State in favor of a younger, bigger name as their program stagnates(which I'm not even saying they have, but...they're not gaining ground and they have a LOT of resources they've put into the program)...I'd be skeptical.

Oh damn...I forgot about Millard. To be honest, I just got bored working backwards, so...I stopped, but yeah, that'd be great. Millard was the guy I thought was JUST a shade behind Sinclair, Hopke and the Mirasola's. Though...Hopke kinda went and looked a bit disappointing the last few times I saw him. How's he looking? He was so good and so slick, but he looked like he hadn't physically matured yet. He put on some good weight this past year?

Ok...what in the hell is going on here? Jimmy with the rational take in a thread? That's...that is troubling!

I would venture to guess the same was said about John Smith at Okie State. They don't have to frame it as him being fired. They can frame it as the good old "spending more time with his family."

I don't really see Cael as a loud personality. Or that as a requirement.

Yeah, I'd be annoyed. Let Minnesota have nice things too! They could have a REALLY good team. Hopke-HWT Nelson-197 McEnally-184 Riddle/Whiting-174 Riddle was a kid I thought was underrated and could be a stud. He's probably a top 10 '74 in the Country...IMO. Brenner/Sparks-165?

He's 34. Not that young.

I'm going to PSU if I'm him. You have the...less accomplished Mirasola at HWT, he could slide in and..take the ONE spot that is a question mark(and not that big of a question mark).

What are his roots in Ohio? His Mothers family? I'm starting to think of Dake as the Aaron Rodgers of Wrestlers. Great athlete...some ideas that are a little out there.

Tom Ryan doesn't have to like it. Did John Smith get to pick his successor?

Wonder if he ends up at PSU...kinda half serious, but all they really have is Mirasola, the...less accomplished of the two. I would say HWT is going to be easier next year or two and since Kueter is playing Football again next year, anyone Wrestling full time should have a big advantage.

Is it though? All due respect to Ryan, he's...not David Taylor. Kids when they think about who they'd want to Wrestle for, they're laid back and get guys ready, they view it as a game, but they also get the most out of you. They're strict with drinking and partying. My GUESS would be they're both mature enough to know the real rule is...don't be an embarrassment. But David Taylor...back in Ohio...with those facilities? The 2nd best Wrestling State in the Country and a team RIGHT NOW that's stacked and set up to be a top 3 team next year before they pick up a...Facundo to Wrestle '57/'65 for them and probably another high AA or two to fill out their roster, a roster bringing Welsh back into the lineup and where Feldman is likely the favorite, where you had a Freshmen at '97... Programs in the best shape right now for the next 5 years are, in order, PSU, Iowa, Okie State JUST barely behind Iowa and then Ohio State. When David Taylor was hired at Okie State, I'd say it was PSU, Ohio State, Iowa and then Cornell, Iowa State, maybe Minnesota and then possibly Okie State. Taylor has made a huge jump at Okie St. Add Jax Forrest and the Dreshaun Ross to the lineup in 2 years as Feldman and Mendez are graduating? It'd be ridiculous. And that's assuming LaDarion Lockett, Landon Robideau and Sergio Vega don't flip and go with Taylor. I know what you're saying, there's no guarantees, but...he was as close as you can get.

I didn't question his "clutch gene," though...I thought he could have beaten Parris. He just always seemed so physically gifted, he looked disinterested. I didn't know he was badly hurt, so I thought the Hendrickson loss was the result of a 'well, if I win, I've just got Gable anyway,' IN PART. I didn't think he was saying this, but kinda in the back of your head. Looking at his career and what he's all done, it's all the more impressive to see how he's performed if he's dealt with knee injuries yearly.

Yeah...I personally think they'll just say..."well, guess we got top this years performance." I don't even find it that...hard to imagine. What is their lineup likely to be next year? 125-Lillednahl -I'll take him as my early favorite. 133-Ono -A World Champion? Crookham is going to have to take him down or take top to beat him...IMO. 141-Blaze-legit NC potential, but I'll say top 5 149-SVN-Top 3 and if he Wrestles a little smarter, NC 157-Kasak-NC 165-MM-NC 174-Haines-NC 184-Barr-top 6(this is just such a tough weight 197-Mirasola or Ryder HWT-Sadulaev was talking about enrolling, but I think it's going to be Taz as of now...Sad they said could come, but he'd have to get used to wrestling 92KG so he can make the cut to '97 more easily as Taz is going to go HWT.... 125-184 all have LEGITIMATE chances to win 197-HWT, both lose a lot of guys, but I don't know what the Mirasola twins will do. Outside of Ono, Duke and Blaze...which is the greatest class most schools ever have, they have like 6 other kids in the top ~45. Just...ridiculous.

You COULD absolutely go Kyle Snyder though and ...that'd be an outstanding hire and I think you'd just get the best of all worlds. 1-Outside Jordan Burroughs, nobody is a bigger name...in my opinion. The ONE guy that was...he was the guy you should have found the keys to whatever Brinks Truck you have and backed it up for. I mean, a St Parris guy...who is REAL similar to Cael in terms of style, more accomplished, maybe a better MFS Wrestler, I won't say the BEST Wrestler from Ohio ever, but lets just say the best since...2000. 2-He wrestled for Ryan...he is maybe the best Wrestler in Ohio State History...you could at least argue going 3/1/1/1 as a small HWT and '97 with J'den Cox and Gadsen is as good as Stieber(but you really don't have to as you're not making a ranking, just hiring a guy). 3-He's got the best of both Worlds. He was there with Stieber, OSUs last title, in fact, I think he clinched it, but he's also spent years under Cael at the NLWC(even if that's not "technically" under Cael). 4-His style works for...every weight. Side rant-The "funk," and passing the leg and all that, it's essential in modern Wrestling. BUT, the issue I have is so many guys, when they have the TD stopped, they go from Heavy Hips and just stuffing the guy, MAYBE even go to a front head and look for an angle and catch that leg and do a basic, simple, boring go behind. But what guys do, and it seems like it happens in SO many late TDs, they stop a shot, they have the guy stretched out and then instead of just basic keeping the head stuffed, heavy hips, wearing them out and trying to break that lock, they want to end up head to ankle and scrambling and now that's a 50/50 position...and I understand if you have a guy flat and you start digging that leg out with their head trapped inside like Jaggers and Askren, now Hardy and Lovett do, but when the head is outside, it just drives me nuts.... But most importantly, he keeps his feet moving, hands on, constantly attacking or moving forward, in and out, shot fake, shot fake, shot, low single, hi-c, double, he's won at the highest levels with that approach. (Edit-I just re-reading this for my inevitable spelling mistakes or typos and this made me think of Carter Starocci. Just always in position and coming at you). --I would think you'd be looking at the '28 games as Snyder's last run, so Ryan gets a few more years with a loaded class and now he can go out with Davino, Welsh, Feldman, several other studs and now Kyle Snyder takes over the Flagship school for the 2nd best state when it comes to pumping out Wrestling talent. And at that point, I'd be looking at bringing Jason Nolf with me and keeping Logan Stieber. Hell, by then, Davino may be a great Grad assistant for the little guys or Luke Lillendahl. Maybe Nolf works with the RTC, I don't know. But you add credibility on all levels and Tom Ryan retires having won a NC at Ohio State, getting a new facility built and that program in as good of shape as it could be. The other two...most obvious options would be Taylor. Now in fairness, it would be kinda like Cael to take a job and push aside the guy who has a long history with that school(Bobby Douglas=Coleman Scott in this case) and then leave after a few years for that big paycheck and the easier job with more Wrestling AND it's so much easier to transfer, he wouldn't have to have a class wait like the Va Tech 5 did or RS like he did when he followed Cael, but I think he's really building something there and will have little interest in leaving. The other choice is Jordan Burroughs and I don't see him being a better option at Ohio State because...he's a Jersey kid who wrestled at Nebraska. I think he'd do great, maybe he joins Kyle as well or in place of Nolf and he runs the RTC, but...these are simple and easy changes if you have ~10M to get you started and you can get a few million a year...and most programs like that can(there are like...4 programs like that, PSU, Iowa, Okie St and Ohio State and MAYBE Iowa St). So...yeah, that's what I'd do, that's why I'd do it. Lots of details to be ironed out. Maybe Luke Lillendahl or Marcus Blaze is part of your RTC and coaching the lightweights by then, but that's the vision I'd have and I'd be looking at if...literally anyone cared what I thought Ohio State should do...and I doubt most people will have even read this far, so that...that is not likely to be a large number!

Imagine there's no Jimmy It's easy if you try... Every thread isn't about Penn State... Or little Spencer Lee-ee Imagine all the people... talking wrestling in peace...HEHE They may say I'm a dreamer... but I'm not the only one Some day Caaael will join us.... And Jimmy Cinnabon will be donnnnnnneeeeee

Well...dang. I'll have to put my little Cousin into this mix next year. Say I'm a big fan though I don't know him and I don't particularly care about his school!

The used to test the NC and top 8 and then in some years it was the NC and then randomly picking from the top 8.

I was never handed this card and I have never heard of them...

I wouldn't. That would benefit certain guys so much more than others. That'd be GREAT for a guy like...say Marinelli from Iowa. It'd be awful for a guy like Robinson at 125 or Lillendahl or Jordan Burroughs. Guys who take a step back to try and get you to step. Guys who are really good getting in on that underhook, get good head position and you can block and push and YOU'RE staling, but you'll be rewarded for it. There's not many easy answers, but it's hard to Wrestle without creating space at times.

I got 9 seconds in and I...genuinely hate you for exposing me to that!

Absolutely. The transfers took big jumps. Hamiti still looked like he shut it down too early, but...he won it in a touch weight That's huge. That's an underrated upset because his HWT pulled off MAYBE the biggest upset EVER. Okie State has a ton of good young talent in the room or coming in. If Lockett is the type of kid who loves Wrestling(not just does it becasuse he's so much better...which is always hard to tell until you get to that level) he could be the type of kid who is competing for a spot atop the podium as a Freshmen. Ross at HWT, I've already said what I think about him. He's a more athletic Tommy Rowlands who I think can fill out and be a solid 250-260 with long arms and incredible motion and a great blast double. Jax Forrest. I thought Bassett would go there as he'd be following Forrest and he'd Wrestle under DT AND he said he wanted to turn a program around and be the face of it. But they have so much talent in that '41-74 range, And I'd expect they'd pick up a couple transfers the next couple years until their team is built out. Mark Manning is on the older side, but he's not lost any energy, emotion and he has those guys ready to go. And, Ohio State should be a force next year. Davino, Welsh, Feldman...Cannon, guys I can't think of because I don't know the program that well. Missouri, I think they'll be better. PSU is still the dominant team, but I think these teams MAY have gained some confidence. A defending champ and a #1/2 seed doesn't make PSU unbeatable.

Oh...yeah, no, that is most certainly the type of thing that comes up in a good book. I was just reading a biography of FDR and it talked about how he was a "smegma" male and...how he produced a discharge that would become a white creamy substance! WTF are you reading, brochures from your Dr? That's...some insane nonsense. And yes, I'm very insecure about that thing I'd never heard of and didn't know it existed until you just threw it out there like it was a common problem.

No...he didn't. He looked taller maybe, not nearly as thick.

I guess there's different builds, pasty white guys don't usually look as defined. This...isn't meant to be racist, but you look better when you're tan right? So black guys for instance look bigger. But Kharchla also has always been a tank. Haines jumped up from '57. I know he was also really sucking down. Kasak on the other hand was still a '41 even during what was set to be a RS year. But, Kharchla also came down from '65(and even '74 I thought). He's a big dude also. Shapiro also looks like I did in 6th grade. I was about 6' tall in 6th grade, ~150 and very little muscle...obviously. That's a kid who should...take a year off of school, spend some time with iron andlet his brain heal and then come back as a '74. His movement and instincts are incredible, but you also have to make grown men do things they don't want to do...and that's easier when you're stronger than those grown men(or least close). '57 should have been Kasak and Shapiro. That was the 2nd more obvious 1-2 matchup of the tourney...IMO. Guess not.