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unfortunately, I did not hang 'em up for good off that win streak. Wrestled in an open tournament at age 34, didn't go so well.

was undefeated in college, in the two years I wrestled intramurals I went 4-0.

Recall hearing he beat Mark Branch while still in HS. Not sure if folk or free.

No. Ramos stopping Lee from a potential 4th NCAA title beats pretty much anything that happens in the first weekend of the season. Impressive as it was for Blaze.

Vague recall that Cary Kolat beat NCAA champ Sean O’Day while still in HS.

yeah but can he go 13 for 14 or even better 14 for 14 to top big Bruce? (and what happened to Bruce in '91 anyway?)

This.

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guessing Ok St may have had a better run, but lazily just looked at same years I laid out for Iowa/126, this time Ok St 134: 1983: Clar Anderson 1st 1984: Anderson 5th 1985: John Smith 2nd 1986: Leo Bailey 4th 1987: Smith 1st 1988: Smith 1st 1989: Chuck Barbee 5th 1990: Chris Owens 4th 1991: Alan Fried 2nd 1992: Fried 2nd of course Smith is the guy here but a decade of hammers

ancient history, Iowa 126 1983 Barry Davis 1st 1984 Mark Trizzino 4th 1985 Davis 1st 1986 Brad Penrith 1st 1987 Penrith 2nd 1988 Penrith 2nd 1989 Tom Brands 4th 1990 Terry Brands 1st 1991 Terry Brands 2nd 1992 Terry Brands 1st

absolutely

any chance Sam Fisher would go down to 174 in that scenario?

Cornell has a dual with Va Tech this season. How do folks see a potential Shapiro / Andonian match going? A crazy high scoring match, or maybe a fall on either side off a big move or scramble scenario? FWIW wrestlestat has Andonian winning 13-9. Or is Shapiro a bad style matchup like AOC was for Andonian, and likely to see a controlled Shapiro victory?

The Iowa State Hawkeyes

they're on Oklahoma State's schedule as usual, late February, which is also not listed in the current Iowa schedule.

and to further digress from this year and Penn St possibly doubling up 2nd placer, but in light of the good discussion of 1997 Iowa / Ok State, if you haven't done so already, read A Season On The Mat by Nolan Zavoral. Follows Gable and Iowa through his last season as Head coach.

you're right Whitmer was the one change in direct outcome. Guess I was thinking more in terms of relative scoring working out more in Iowa's favor so to speak. 142 - a reg decision win is big in an 8 point margin dual. Guessing Reyna and Gillis (4th and 6th at NCAAs, Gillis more bonus I think) were basically a wash in tournament scoring. 167 and 177 - 8 team points for Ok St in dual is margin of victory, and tournament wise those weights vs Iowa were expected to be very lopsided as well. Still solid in Ok St favor but Iowa made up ground from dual domination with Uker placing 6 from 11 seed and at 177 with Ersland losing in blood rd from non-seed and Smith only getting 4th from 1 seed. That kind of thing. and again you are right Licnoln would have needed bonus to tie the dual and Arias was a tough out. and yes Ok St was very very good that year. Probably one of the better teams ever to not win it. Iowa in addition to being very good also just caught fire that tournament and ended any doubt fairly quickly.

yep quite the turnaround. Lincoln Mac being out of course was huge in the dual. But other changes from dual to tournament were significant as well.

are you thinking of Kolodzik from Princeton? 19-20 season was taking RS (ORS I guess but per Ivy, not enrolled either way is all that matters it sounds like) but came back and competed 2nd half of season, then COVID cancellations = no NCAA, eligibility done. my recall anyway, there are EIWA / Ivy guys here who probably know details better

re 1997 wasn't runner-up Ok St, not Minnesota? As for this year, are incoming freshman included in the pre-season rankings?

or JMU should be forced to re-start their program and PJ can wrestle for the Dukes.

as Broomstick posted, Smith did not win in '93 as they did not compete in the NCAA tournament or even the Big 8 tournament that year. Pat won his titles in '90, '91, '92, and '94. trivial - a HS 'mate of mine had his picture in AWN during the 90 tournament. It was a pic of Pat Smith pinning him.

Here's wat I know and it ain't much. I think Seay was dismissed in '91, and then in '93 Oklahoma State was not allowed to compete in the NCAA tournament. I don't recall the details of that '93 sanction and if it was anything that went back to issues under Seay's watch.

I really have not reasons to argue any of these on an individual basis. That said, other than Arujau dropping to get a spot it's exactly the same as this year's team. Just feel like there's a surprise or two coming. Taylor to me is the closest to a lock. Parris - Gable return? Gwiz maybe?. Snyder - J'Den?. Dake and maybe even Taylor -young blood hitting their peak?. Lee - Is this the class we have most change routinely? Yianni, Zain drops, McKenna, Alirez?. Vito - the cut. Look forward to seeing it play out and to the USA having a great showing in Paris.

Kevin Jackson Iowa State