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Is it just my TV or is the orange of the mat obnoxious? I thought the same thing during the VT dual.

Hughes and Orine should be telling..

That's insane. This dual was the epitome of what you don't want to see in college wrestling. Scoreless first periods are bad for the sport, and often the scoreless first period happens because neither guy wants to initiate any actual offensive attack. This dual had a scoreless first at 133, 149, 165, 184, 197, and 285. I don't know how anyone who actually watched it could have a different takeaway. The matches were all close because no one did anything.

Because Kerkvliet of 2022 is the same wrestler as Kerkvliet of 2025. @buckshot didn't even say that Kerk would win. He just said he could make it interesting. One guy has been training in wrestling the past two years while the other has not. I'm not picking anyone over Gable, but someone could make it interesting. Just another snarky one-line comment without adding anything to the conversation.

We listed it above. Yes, it's a rough year, but what's going on here is you overreacting. You said "two years in a row where mizzou wrestling has been an absolute ghost of what they used to be", meanwhile last year their roster was.. (rankings going into NCAAs) 125: #12 Surtin 133: #30 Moore 141: #14 Edmond 149: #11 Gioffre 157: #15 Mauller (former AA) 165: #1 Keegan O'Toole (2x Champ) 174: #22 Mocco (former AA) 184: #9 Hawks 197: #7 Elam (4x AA) 285: #5 Elam (2x AA) I guess if having 4 top ten wrestlers, 8 top 15 wrestlers, and 5 returning AAs on the roster is an absolute ghost of a team, then sure. They lost 5 starters from last years roster, 4 of which were AAs. That's tough for any school to fill that doesn't have a boat load of cash to bring in big name transfers. Coach Smith has done a great job of recruiting in the classes of 24 and 25 by getting commits from 11 big board wrestlers, with several being notable names. I am a big fan of the Missouri program, and I am not concerned at all about where the team will be in a couple of years.

It came down to heavyweight, and it was still one of the most boring duals that I have ever watched. Excluding Mendez, Ohio state scored a total of 4 takedowns in the 9 other matches. Rutgers scored a total of 7 takedowns and 3 of those came in the first match at 125. The only match where both wrestlers scored an offensive point was 197.

I'd imagine it will be case by case based on how ready each guy is. I don't follow high school wrestling super close, so other than Mendoza I don't know much about the other recruits. But even Mendoza I could see being someone that would really benefit from a year to acclimate. Is Sinclair supposed to be a 184 or 197 next year? He looks like he still has baby fat at 197.

tOSU today.. 125 - 0 takedowns 133 - 0 takedowns 141 - Mendez 149 - 0 takedowns 157 - 1 takedown 165 - 0 takedowns

It's both a down year for the tigers as well as an absolutely injury plagued roster. Typically Missouri's entire line-up is ranked inside the top 15 or so. This year, they have a handful of weights without an impact starter, and are missing about half their expected line-up coming into this season. 125: Surtin medically retired midseason 165: Steed looked really good this season before a knee injury 174: O'Toole is missing the month with an injury 197: Elam may miss the entire season They have a pretty good class of true freshmen in RS right now, and some really nice recruits coming in next season.

Bo's high school age is going to be stuff of legend some day. He'll just keep getting older and older as the myth passes on through the generations.

That is a 6-7-8 punch! A 1-2-3 must begin at 125. See above post for the rules.

How old is a typical Junior in college wrestling, Mr. Green?

All due respect, Feldman teched Harley Andrews faster than Gable did.. So maybe today wasn't the best overall indicator of whether he's better than ever or not.

I just wasn't sure what you meant. I take no offenses on behalf of Wyatt. I actually think Wyatt has a better chance of beating Gable than Kerk. I think Wyatt is more likely to get into an exchange where he could score big points/a fall than Kerk. You aren't beating Gable by playing his game.

What does this even mean?

You, my friend, are not the Wave of Green.

I have nothing against Steveson personally, but as a wrestling fan, I am very over the whole Gable schtick. Is he wrestling, is he not? Will he come back, won't he? IMO he shouldn't have eligibility if he simply chose not to participate the past two years. And the retroactive "Olympic Redshirt" for athletes that weren't enrolled in college nor entered in a single freestyle tournament is a joke.

How confident are you that he loses? That's a pretty long shot. Are you actually predicting this to happen or just putting it out that you think Gable could lose this year? I've said it in a previous thread that I do want to see his resolve if someone can take him to deep water. I'm curious how much fight he'll have if he gets tired and has to battle. He hasn't needed to/done so since the 2021 Olympics.

How old is Bo Bassett? This question is reserved for Greenwave only. I want to know how old a Junior in college is supposed to be.

Iowa vs Minnesota on Feb 14 will be a good one. After what he did to Allred today, he could be closer to Keck/Starocci than any would have thought. I'm definitely more interested in see him against the top 2 now than I was this morning.

I agree that 125-157 will be fun.

By far the most entertaining match I've seen this year. A ton of attacks, action-filled scrambles, points being scored, back and forth leads, that was a ton of fun. Quick recap.. 157: Taylor over Askey in OT 165: Minto over Sparks in a 174: Pinto in a dominant win over Whiting 184: McEnelly (spelling?) dominant major over Allred. I think he scored 5 takedowns? 197: Salazar dominated McDanel 285: Quick tech from Gable over Harley 125: Cooper Flynn should have been hit for stalling multiple times. He did nothing but disengage in the first, got rode out in the second without ever really threatening to escape, and then in the third, if you didn't know the score, you would have thought Flynn was winning because he still didn't do anything as Smith continued to push the action. 133: Pretty boring. Van Dee ends up with a late TD to win. 141: As I said above, most exciting match of the year. Hardy edges out Vombaur in a wild back and forth match 12-10 149: Ridge wins easily over Roberts

Sorry Mr. Durden, you said "ceiling" not his ceiling for this year. If you're talking about this year alone, sure there are 3 absolute monsters in Gable, Kerk, and Wyatt that would limit many, many, of the 285 NCAA champs from the past to mid-AA ceilings. This is by far the most talented top 3 at heavyweight that I can recall over the last 15 or so years.

I agree, it both makes me shake my head and laugh. I don't know how many casual/non-wrestling fans are tuning in to a B1G+ wrestling dual to begin with, my guess is less than a few. It doesn't really bother me, like it's been said, it's a chance for young hopeful sports announcers to get some experience to put on their resume.

Lol I rewatched it twice.. Whiting called for locked hands while his right hand was on the mat the entire time. I'm guessing he grabbed Pinto's wrist and the ref must have thought it was his own. Pinto looked good this match though.