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Starts around 3:05. He doesn’t clarify but is referring to the Ivy rules. I know this isn’t breaking news but I’m moreso not crazy about the aspect of the RTC system in general where it is legal for non-students to use school facilities yet somehow still claim that the RTC’s aren’t affiliated with the schools. This particular facility is for wrestling only and Yianni explains that the team members have access cards specific to the facility. I wonder if the grayshirts get access cards as well…

Cenzo out according to Basch (check the comments)

They practice at the same time as the college team, but using a different mat in a separate gym. Cool facilities though.

Think we’ll see a Morgan State/Iowa dual?

Tom Brands too?

Agree, but I’d assume if they were to see it from here it’d be either Spey or Kozak relaying the message to someone

Do we know they saw it? Most of them don't like message boards and I feel like I haven't seen Spey around here in awhile

Was there actually a question about whether DuPont killed Schultz initially? In a different old article from 1996, Tom says “if it turns out DuPont did kill Schultz…” https://vault.si.com/vault/1996/06/03/wrestlemania-the-brands-twins-who-live-to-inflict-pain-on-the-mat-are-on-track-for-the-atlanta-olympics

Interesting article from 1996 https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1996-06-11-9606110207-story.html

Speaking of Flo “not trying,” I don’t understand why they would show earlier rounds of tournaments for free on YouTube (obviously because they want people to subscribe for the later rounds), but not even have announcers?

oh?

What was the point of your comment saying 2021's PSU team was "very young"? You're proving my point because the 3 "very young" champs from 2021 that were in the 2020 lineup were a year younger and certainly no guarantee they would have all also won in 2020, especially considering the guys that were in their brackets in 2020 that were not in the bracket in 2021. No one sane is giving Iowa credit for actually winning in 2020, but it's extremely likely that they would have

sorry this should say assuming PSU still wins at 133, 141, 174 & 184. Keep in mind 2020 was Brooks' true freshman year, 133 had Gross & Rivera who both had wins over RBY that year, and Nick Lee had just lost to Pletcher at B10's.

"But" nothing. 2021 actually happened. There is nothing to speculate about in regards to 2021. Are you just making up scenarios now where a free year was given to 2020 seniors for 2021? Hall is a wash if that's what you're implying, because if he's in the lineup Starocci isn't. Essentially it comes down to if you think Cenzo/Rasheed/Verkleeren in 2020 could outscore Kerkvliet/Beard/Berge/Howard in 2021 by 16 (assuming PSU still wins at 133, 141, and 174 and Lee is Iowa's only champ). Highly doubtful, unless you start getting into scenarios like Lee pulling a 2023.

The point is Iowa underperformed and PSU overperformed in 2021…and Iowa still won by 15.5.

Well they won by 15.5 in 2021 with an overall underperformance (including a #1 seed DNP’ing) with essentially the same team they had in 2020, and an overperformance from PSU whose team was pretty comparable to what they had in 2020. I’d never be shocked by PSU winning, but the chances were pretty slim and I think it’s fair to say Iowa was in all likelihood robbed. This is a weird post from you though because I’m pretty sure I was one of the few giving PSU a chance in 2021 and IIRC you said there was no way. After seeing what happened in 2021 you were probably closer to correct back then. Not impossible, but it would’ve taken a massive implosion for Iowa to lose in 2020 (and another overperformance from PSU, but that would’ve been more likely).

Looks like he was at UVa, not VT. Could he not beat Patrick McCormick?

Joe went from being a national qualifier to losing to backups. Looks like he’s regressed.

You said he “literally ran away” from your son…that’s not negative? You must have a weird definition of “negative,” like when you were talking negatively about Lee’s world medal but claimed you weren’t…

I haven’t seen anyone really bring this up in 2 years, except maybe Hawkeye report, but yes, Iowa was going to win in 2020. Iowa differences in 2020 vs 2021: Swap Lugo for Eierman (2nd), Murin at 141 in 2020 compared to 149 in 2021 (R12). Pretty much a wash. PSU differences in 2020 vs 2021: Lost Cenzo, Hall, Rasheed, Verk Gained Starocci (1st), Kerk (7th), Beard (7th), Berge (R16), Howard (R16) Extremely slim chance that PSU would’ve been +16 points with those changes, and that’s with them having 4 champs in 2021 compared to 1 for Iowa. And yes, this reads like a Jimmy C thread. A legitimate question mixed in with some blatant trolling, like failing to mention that Spencer Lee didn’t wrestle at 2022 NCAA’s and Eierman was a shell of himself, or that Cassar only wrestled 3 matches in 2020. It’s not like we’re predicting a whole season in 2020 where more injuries could come into play, the only thing that needed to be wrestled was the tournament.

Messenbrink did didn’t he?

But isn’t the time he “jumped levels” also including his senior year of high school? Although I guess he was training a lot at NLWC right?

Haven’t plenty of guys had success at the Olympics immediately following an NCAA season? As long as he’s not wrestling through injuries folkstyle is still good training for freestyle. Plus I’m sure he’ll be wrestling plenty of freestyle at RTC practices anyway.

Cassar is probably the best example of Cael helping to develop a not so heralded recruit. Took longer than 2 years though. Haines seems to be more of just being under-ranked, which of course is another skill Cael has. IIRC Starocci is another example of that.