Wrestleknownothing

Jimmy and I agree on everything. Whatever he says, goes.

He is heading back to Arizona to have a conversation.

I heard that too. But the problem with that theory (a coach was using the previous spreadsheet which did not have those three due to match count) is that Spencer Lee was also not on the previous spreadsheet, but he still got the full compliment of votes this time around.

I'm surprised no one is mentioning Eric Guerrero. 5, 1, 1, 1 at 126, 126, 126, 133.

They probably do, but once you assign point values you are assuming your ranking will be the result taking you into the realm of predictions.

On second thought, Jones did vote for 33 wrestlers at each of his four assigned weight classes. Just none of those 33 included RBY, Yianni, or Kerk.

There are at least three cases where it is clear that only 11 votes were used. RBY at 133, Diakomihalis at 149, and Kerkvliet at 285. It seems to me that the root cause is most likely laziness. EDIT 1: If you look across the roster for those three weight classes there is a single coach who is on all three. I'm not saying Zeke Jones is responsible. I am just saying he is the only coach voting on all three. OK, I am saying he is responsible, even if I cannot prove it. So maybe not laziness? EDIT 2: Trivia Question: At what three weights does ASU have their three highest ranked wrestlers? Do not cheat by reading the first paragraph. For completeness, Jones is also the voter for 125 where they have their next highest ranked wrestler.

excellent point

Yeah. He is a moran. Did a D3 coach not vote for Yianni either?

I hear ya. But I also think the Flo guys play fast and loose with their mantra that rankings are not predictions. For example, they use them to produce a prediction about who will score what at the tournament.

How? He doesn't vote.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/2022-23D1MWR_CoachesRankingRoster.pdf

Maybe. I went back and forth on that. I am guessing it was a case that they had 13 of 14 and still threw out the high and low rather than treat the missing vote as the low.

Not a voter for 133

He did say no one would remember what RBY did in ten years. Maybe he was just talking about himself.

Same with Yianni Diakomihalis who is also at 363 and third on the list

RBY got 363 points. Assume #1 seed gets 33 points and the #33 seed gets 1 point (Lee got 396 = 12 * 33) The high and low are thrown out leaving 12 totals to sum 363/11 = 33. So someone left him off the ballot.

Atlantic Coast Conference Tony Robie 133 Atlantic Coast Conference Steve Garland 133 Big 12 Conference Damion Hahn 133 Big 12 Conference Doug Schwab 133 Big Ten Conference Tony Ersland 133 Big Ten Conference Cael Sanderson 133 Eastern Intercollegiate Wrestling Association Zach Tanelli 133 Eastern Intercollegiate Wrestling Association Jason Borelli 133 Mid-American Conference Marcus Gordon 133 Mid-American Conference John Stutzman 133 Pac-12 Conference Zeke Jones 133 Pac-12 Conference Luke Smith 133 Southern Conference Scotti Sentes 133 Southern Conference JohnMark Bentley 133 I think I found the culprit

https://www.ncaa.com/_flysystem/public-s3/files/D1MenRanking_020923.pdf The seeds are determined by 14 coaches per weight, 2 from each of the 7 conferences. Different coaches vote for different weights. The only way I can think of that gets you RBY at #3 is if someone left him off their list completely. Smells fishy.

130 maps to the modern 141. Below are how the weights map through time These are the guys who won 3 of 3 or 3 of 4 titles at 133 and its predecessor weights. Not sure how you want to treat Logan Stieber who won 2 of his 4 at 133 or Barry Davis who won 2 of his 3 there:

Last night it was a touch of the grape. Otherwise, putting the finishing touches on some Angel's Envy.

Of the most likely I think the least likely is Keegan O'Toole. Not a senior, has all his ligaments, and only four pinfalls so far this year in a weight class that has two other returning champs. For me Mason Parris outpaces him by being a senior and having eleven pins of the fall variety this year.

I forgot to include one other bit of Hodge trivia. The fan vote started in 2013 and is worth two first place votes totaling eight points. It has never decided the winner of the Hodge, but it has decided the runner-up on at least two occasions, both involving Ed Ruth. In 2013, Ruth won the fan vote to out-point Jordan Oliver 89-88 for second behind Kyle Dake. In 2014, the system got its revenge on Ruth as Logan Stieber won the fan vote to take second with 107 points to Ruth's 102 points.