Jimmy Cinnabon Posted March 10 Posted March 10 Jason Nolf said this on today's FRL and pointed out that he's *only* a 2x Big 10 champion despite being a 3x NCAA champion. Thoughts on whether this is true?
Chiljx Posted March 10 Posted March 10 It’s a fun quote but you’re generally going through 2-3 solid to high level guys in Big 10s and 3-4 in NCAAs. Depends on the draw but those sentiments are either anecdotal or slogans to pump up the conference. That said, the Big 10 tournament is no joke.
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted March 10 Author Posted March 10 11 minutes ago, elijedi06 said: Tell that to Marinelli, 4x big ten champ and no titles Vincenzo just had his number at NCAAs
Hammerlock3 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Vincenzo just had his number at NCAAs They never wrestled at NCAAs dumbass Edited March 10 by Hammerlock3 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
kschlosser Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) No doubt. Most definitely for some years at some weights. While it's probably not the majority of the weights a champion only has to beat two All Americans, the runner up and someone that places 3-6. If the two best Big Ten wrestlers meet in the finals he only needs to beat a "minor" AA. I've seen weights where wrestlers have beat three AA at b10s In the modern era, has the B10 or any other conference swept a weight? What wrestlers faced the least number of AAs in a championship tournament? What wrestlers faced the most AAs at NCAAs? Anyone with 5 without or 6 with a rat tail? Where is some wrestling know nothing when I need to know something? Edited March 10 by kschlosser 1
MPhillips Posted March 10 Posted March 10 3 minutes ago, kschlosser said: Where is some wrestling know nothing when I need to know something? @Wrestleknownothing 1 .
JWC Posted March 10 Posted March 10 40 minutes ago, kschlosser said: No doubt. Most definitely for some years at some weights. While it's probably not the majority of the weights a champion only has to beat two All Americans, the runner up and someone that places 3-6. If the two best Big Ten wrestlers meet in the finals he only needs to beat a "minor" AA. I've seen weights where wrestlers have beat three AA at b10s In the modern era, has the B10 or any other conference swept a weight? What wrestlers faced the least number of AAs in a championship tournament? What wrestlers faced the most AAs at NCAAs? Anyone with 5 without or 6 with a rat tail? Where is some wrestling know nothing when I need to know something? I guess modern is the years A.C. Anno Cookies? 1
Paul158 Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) 45 minutes ago, kschlosser said: No doubt. Most definitely for some years at some weights. While it's probably not the majority of the weights a champion only has to beat two All Americans, the runner up and someone that places 3-6. If the two best Big Ten wrestlers meet in the finals he only needs to beat a "minor" AA. I've seen weights where wrestlers have beat three AA at b10s In the modern era, has the B10 or any other conference swept a weight? What wrestlers faced the least number of AAs in a championship tournament? What wrestlers faced the most AAs at NCAAs? Anyone with 5 without or 6 with a rat tail? Where is some wrestling know nothing when I need to know something? The Big Ten will have 32 to 40 of the All-Americans maybe more this year. They will have a large portion of the top 4 in each weight class. This time of the year is a real grind in the Big Ten. Edited March 10 by Paul158
kschlosser Posted March 10 Posted March 10 14 minutes ago, JWC said: I guess modern is the years A.C. Anno Cookies? I guess it would be 8 all Americans, 32 man brackets, freshman eligibility. Could debate no d2/d3/naia inclusion.
boconnell Posted March 10 Posted March 10 He obviously didn't mean it literally. He's a guy who talks so intelligently about the sport. It's unfortunate that fans in this thread have latched onto his take like it was a real opinion. 2
juniorvarsity Posted March 10 Posted March 10 52 minutes ago, Paul158 said: The Big Ten will have 32 to 40 of the All-Americans maybe more this year. They will have a large portion of the top 4 in each weight class. This time of the year is a real grind in the Big Ten. 3 to 4 per weight. I don't know. That sounds like a lot, but I don't know how many the conferences have gotten in the past. Anyone know?
kschlosser Posted March 10 Posted March 10 4 minutes ago, boconnell said: He obviously didn't mean it literally. He's a guy who talks so intelligently about the sport. It's unfortunate that fans in this thread have latched onto his take like it was a real opinion. Not the first time I have heard that statement directly from b10 national champions. Might not be their entire careers but from specific years
juniorvarsity Posted March 10 Posted March 10 1 minute ago, juniorvarsity said: 3 to 4 per weight. I don't know. That sounds like a lot, but I don't know how many the conferences have gotten in the past. Anyone know? I went ahead and looked up last two years. 35 AAs from the Big Ten in 2025. 30 AAs from the Big Ten in 2024
boconnell Posted March 10 Posted March 10 14 minutes ago, kschlosser said: Not the first time I have heard that statement directly from b10 national champions. Might not be their entire careers but from specific years I am sure some said it and meant it. They were obviously wrong. The very best of the big 10 are at every NCAA. The very best of the Big Ten are the main part of what makes NCAA so hard. Without the Big Ten guys the NCAA would absolutely be easier than NCAAs. But the NCAAs are the very best of the Big Ten plus the very best of everybody else. Nobody has every won a NCAA title without being in a bracket with the very best Big Ten guys.
BruceyB Posted March 10 Posted March 10 For anyone reading this: Nolf kind of chuckled after he said this and C.P. clarified that Nolf was "only" a 2x Big10 champ. It was clearly a tongue in cheek comment from Nolf. 1
SocraTease Posted March 10 Posted March 10 2 hours ago, boconnell said: He obviously didn't mean it literally. He's a guy who talks so intelligently about the sport. It's unfortunate that fans in this thread have latched onto his take like it was a real opinion. Yes he does mean it. Did you actually listen to the broadcast? And he gave reasons that were persuasive and spoke as someone who has actually wrestled in both tournaments.
Gene Mills Fan Posted March 10 Posted March 10 His stance is from a #1 . In the NCAA's a one will see a 32 then the 16? many times these guys are below the 14 or 8 in the B1G. And then when he got to the quarters he was wrestling mostly B1G guys. So he had 2 easier matches.
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 10 Posted March 10 16 hours ago, MPhillips said: @Wrestleknownothing Given the number of forfeits in the tournament, even in the final, who is to say? Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
boconnell Posted March 10 Posted March 10 6 hours ago, Gene Mills Fan said: His stance is from a #1 . In the NCAA's a one will see a 32 then the 16? many times these guys are below the 14 or 8 in the B1G. And then when he got to the quarters he was wrestling mostly B1G guys. So he had 2 easier matches. The Big Ten doesn't have a round of 32. The Big Ten's round of 16 is not close to as tough as the NCAA's round of 16.
Gene Mills Fan Posted March 10 Posted March 10 (edited) 17 minutes ago, boconnell said: The Big Ten doesn't have a round of 32. The Big Ten's round of 16 is not close to as tough as the NCAA's round of 16. i think i'm using Nolf logic but I think you are more correct. but semis 3rd match first day?? Edited March 10 by Gene Mills Fan
boconnell Posted March 10 Posted March 10 8 minutes ago, Southend said: Joe Dubuque was never 1st at Big Tens Stuff like this has zero bearing. Jake Rosholt won 3 NCAA titles and 1 big 12 title. That has nothing to do with which is harder and everything to do with how Jake Rosholt wrestled in those tournaments.
Southend Posted March 10 Posted March 10 1 minute ago, boconnell said: Stuff like this has zero bearing. Jake Rosholt won 3 NCAA titles and 1 big 12 title. That has nothing to do with which is harder and everything to do with how Jake Rosholt wrestled in those tournaments. Pump the brakes sir, I’m just stating a fact. Whether it has any bearing?So let me get this straight, you’re saying Nolf is Full of shit.
boconnell Posted March 10 Posted March 10 3 minutes ago, Southend said: Pump the brakes sir, I’m just stating a fact. Whether it has any bearing?So let me get this straight, you’re saying Nolf is Full of shit. That's definitely what I'm saying. That definitely matches up with my posts in this thread. That's definitely not a strawman that absolutely nobody ever would say.
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