Wrestleknownothing Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 I know Pennsylvania and Iowa like to debate which state is the Mecca of wrestling. Well, @flyingcement and I are here to tell you that they are a pair of pretenders. If you want to score points we have some time tested advice for you. Go West, young man, Go West. Get ye to the north of the Dakotas. Combining flyingcement's geographic data (I cannot imagine how much work that was) with Intermat's latest rankings and my expected points per seed tells us how many points per million residents each state is expected to contribute to their team's totals. So, @VakAttack if you really want to put an end to Penn State's despotic rule you need to get the Brands brothers (Brands of Brothers?) to recruit a ND wrestler at every weight. 5 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 i take exception with ND being called "the west" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nailbender Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 It will be very cool to see this data with the actual results. Thanks to both of you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, LJB said: i take exception with ND being called "the west" The Go West young man quote is attributed to a writer in The Terra Haute Express so I will have to allow it. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 never let the truth get in the way of a good story... and to be fair... ND is west of somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, LJB said: never let the truth get in the way of a good story... and to be fair... ND is west of somewhere... So is RI 1 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 these are all very fair points... i humbly extend my deepest apologies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatWhiteNorth Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 27 minutes ago, LJB said: i take exception with ND being called "the west" After further review, I've got to agree with LJB here. ND is the west edge of the 'midwest', but not quite proper 'west.' Also, a point worth mentioning, NDSU is basically on the ND/MN border - more east by the length of ND. In any case, good stuff on this thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Combining flyingcement's geographic data (I cannot imagine how much work that was) with Intermat's latest rankings and my expected points per seed tells us how many points per million residents each state is expected to contribute to their team's totals. So, @VakAttack if you really want to put an end to Penn State's despotic rule you need to get the Brands brothers (Brands of Brothers?) to recruit a ND wrestler at every weight. I sure hope Tom Brands does this. Iowa will never sniff the top 15 ever again Edited February 3, 2023 by PortaJohn 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: The Go West young man quote is attributed to a writer in The Terra Haute Express so I will have to allow it. Many consider Indiana to be Midwest, this is in fact wrong and to be discussed later. John Babsone Lane Soule, the editor of the Indiana based Terre Haute Express when saying "go west" was referring to Colorado, perhaps more specifically Greeley as he wrote it as if Horace Greeley said it, hence the confusion of who to attribute for the saying. And in fact don't believe Colorado was even a state then and the eastern front range may have still been part of Kansas territory. Thus the "west" is more appropriately attributed to Colorado to California coast and other appropriate states. So clearly even the west edge of North Dakota was not "west" and certainly not the east portion of the state. Obviously "mid west" would be somewhere in Utah/Nevada and thus Indiana from thence one might go west can not be considered Midwest. Someone else can count to see if I violated the 49.5 rule. Edited February 3, 2023 by ionel . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ionel said: Many consider Indiana to be Midwest, this is in fact wrong and to be discussed later. John Babsone Lane Soule, the editor of the Indiana based Terre Haute Express when saying go west was referring to Colorado, perhaps more specifically Greeley as he wrote it as if Horace Greeley said it, hence the confusion of who to attribute for the saying. And in fact don't believe Colorado was even a state then and the eastern front range may have still been part of Kansas territory. Thus the "west" is more appropriately attributed to Colorado to California coast and other appropriate states. So clearly even the west edge of North Dakota was not "west" and certainly not the east portion of the state. Obviously "mid west" would be somewhere in Utah/Nevada and thus Indiana from thence one might go west can not be considered Midwest. Someone else can count to see if I violated the 49.5 rule. All depends on what era. Early 1800's Pittsburgh was the gateway to the West. So yeah, in 1800 the Rocky Mountain front range was in present day Ohio. Amazing to think of the geological changes that has happened in the last 223 years. Edited February 3, 2023 by PortaJohn I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) I rest my case. Edited February 3, 2023 by Wrestleknownothing 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Just now, Wrestleknownothing said: I rest my case. Too confusing. Eastern Siberia is west of Alaska. Jiminy Cricket I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Too confusing. Eastern Siberia is west of Alaska. Jiminy Cricket And West Virginia is east of Kentucky. Up is down. Black is white. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: All depends on what era. Early 1800's Pittsburgh was the gateway to the West. So yeah, in 1800 the Rocky Mountain front range was in present day Ohio. Amazing to think of the geological changes that has happened in the last 223 years. Well it ain't the 1800s anymore so ... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, ionel said: Well it ain't the 1800s anymore so ... Say what? I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I rest my case. Hawaii is "not west?!" Odd those flights I've taken were so so long west bound. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Say what? put it this way ... if it were the 1800s you Mr PortaJohn would be a billionaire. Folks could used you back then. Edited February 3, 2023 by ionel . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Just now, ionel said: put it this way ... if it were the 1800s you Mr PortaJohn would be a billionaire. Sounds terrible. thats 223 billion short from my current market value. 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClawRidesAgain Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3UC157 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 Best to accept the Western heritage, elsewise the ACC may try to claim you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 9 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Go West young man, go West. There is health in the country, and room away from our crowds of idlers and imbeciles. Glory days. (not Pat Glory either, Ionel) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 10 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: The Go West young man quote is attributed to a writer in The Terra Haute Express so I will have to allow it. The line to see Santa stretched all the way to Terra Haute. Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 In 1854 Horace Greeley, a New York newspaper editor, gave Josiah B. Grinnell a famous piece of advice. "Go West, young man, and grow up with the country," said Greeley. Grinnell took Greeley's advice, moved west, and later founded Grinnell, Iowa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 22 minutes ago, Idaho said: The line to see Santa stretched all the way to Terra Haute. I am one of maybe a dozen people who saw that movie in the theater. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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