Jimmy Cinnabon Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Had a takedown wiped out by review. Would have beaten #3 Brock Hardy if not for the bogus call. Hardy wins 1-0 instead.
flyingcement Posted January 24 Posted January 24 while true, referees make mistakes often. and Bailey had a lot of time to do something about it after (and he didn't)
GV4444 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Help me understand, Bailey has both feet inbounds, he has the far ankle. Why isn't this a takedown? I just want to know the rationale. Also, this is the third time I have seen Nasir Bailey choose neutral in the 3rd period while trailing 1-0 and lose 1-0. What is his rationale? Fear of losing riding time point? More time for winning takedown? I haven't seen it work, but maybe it has, but the only 3 matches I've seen him do it, he has lost. Dispassionate Penn State grad and fan.
mr.nonothingatall Posted January 24 Posted January 24 Just now, GV4444 said: Help me understand, Bailey has both feet inbounds, he has the far ankle. Why isn't this a takedown? I just want to know the rationale. Also, this is the third time I have seen Nasir Bailey choose neutral in the 3rd period while trailing 1-0 and lose 1-0. What is his rationale? Fear of losing riding time point? More time for winning takedown? I haven't seen it work, but maybe it has, but the only 3 matches I've seen him do it, he has lost. I thought hardy had touch OB off the mat first. But idk. Nasir needed to bring him back to center with that single legs first before pressuring forward and it might have all been avoided. Bad camera angles tho so I could be wrong on hardy being Ob before Nasir covered Full of un-bias blasphemy.
MPhillips Posted January 24 Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, GV4444 said: What is his rationale? Bad on bottom... .
GV4444 Posted January 24 Posted January 24 27 minutes ago, mr.nonothingatall said: I thought hardy had touch OB off the mat first. But idk. Nasir needed to bring him back to center with that single legs first before pressuring forward and it might have all been avoided. Bad camera angles tho so I could be wrong on hardy being Ob before Nasir covered What is the rule? Hardy is OB, but Nasir has both feet in when he gets the far ankle. By rule is it a takedown? If so, did they rule Nasir was out when he got the far ankle? Did they rule he didn't have control just by grabbing the far ankle? Dispassionate Penn State grad and fan.
mr.nonothingatall Posted January 24 Posted January 24 26 minutes ago, GV4444 said: What is the rule? Hardy is OB, but Nasir has both feet in when he gets the far ankle. By rule is it a takedown? If so, did they rule Nasir was out when he got the far ankle? Did they rule he didn't have control just by grabbing the far ankle? If hardy is touching the carpet off the mat???. Then both wrestlers are out. I don't think Hardy was just OB he was off the entire mat and touched the platform. I think that's why is was a no takedown. Not sure tho Full of un-bias blasphemy.
jmoney Posted January 24 Posted January 24 14 hours ago, flyingcement said: while true, referees make mistakes often. and Bailey had a lot of time to do something about it after (and he didn't) wrestled so passively for so long I actually screamed "is he happy losing by just 1- that's the goal?!"
RawDog Posted January 25 Posted January 25 10 hours ago, GV4444 said: Help me understand, Bailey has both feet inbounds, he has the far ankle. Why isn't this a takedown? I just want to know the rationale. Also, this is the third time I have seen Nasir Bailey choose neutral in the 3rd period while trailing 1-0 and lose 1-0. What is his rationale? Fear of losing riding time point? More time for winning takedown? I haven't seen it work, but maybe it has, but the only 3 matches I've seen him do it, he has lost. He can't get out from bottom to save his life. It boggles my mind that little rock and now even Iowa can't teach him how to get an escape. He could be really good if he can figure that out. He spends so much time stuck on bottom it gasses him out causing him to fade in matches.
TAC Posted January 25 Posted January 25 I was also a little baffled on why no take down, but they looked at it twice, so must have been a reason. The refs really are not trying to decide outcomes, and they had a chance to reverse it. Either way Baily does just enough to lose most of his tight matches, although he managed to hold off Davis last week. I do not believe he does enough to AA this year, but his ability dictates otherwise.
Gus Posted January 25 Posted January 25 20 hours ago, Coastal said: This thread just shows that the idiot pastry couldn't tell his ass from a hole in the ground with both hands let alone what a takedown is. Put myself and Jim Gibbons (no Hawkeye apologist) in the same category. I thought it was a takedown. So did my son and my dad.
Maxwell Smart Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Thought it was a takedown, but know there's a rule about touching outside the mat area. Both will have to step it up to improve or equal their placement from previous years at nationals. Big 10 results will be critical for seeding.
TexRef Posted January 26 Posted January 26 On 1/24/2026 at 11:36 AM, jmoney said: wrestled so passively for so long I actually screamed "is he happy losing by just 1- that's the goal?!" Maybe he was thinking, "At least I didn't give up bonus points." I have no clue, but it is old for sure. Has anyone from Iowa asked for a refund from Bailey? Or at least charge him admission when he enters CHA.
TexRef Posted January 26 Posted January 26 On 1/24/2026 at 8:48 PM, RawDog said: He can't get out from bottom to save his life. It boggles my mind that little rock and now even Iowa can't teach him how to get an escape. He could be really good if he can figure that out. He spends so much time stuck on bottom it gasses him out causing him to fade in matches. I have some good friends from Illinois and they admit, that there is not as much focus on mat wrestling in IL as there is in other states (IA, OK, NJ, PA, & OH) to name a few. I don't have any "real" evidence of this, but it is funny, and Bailey is from IL. I hope it is just a slump for him and he gets out of it and out from underneath.
cl415 Posted January 26 Posted January 26 It was definitely a takedown. Both hands on the mat and control of both legs. He didn’t hit the carpet until after both those criteria were met. I don’t have a problem with them missing the call in live action but to review it and not fix it is inexcusable.
mr.nonothingatall Posted January 26 Posted January 26 3 minutes ago, cl415 said: It was definitely a takedown. Both hands on the mat and control of both legs. He didn’t hit the carpet until after both those criteria were met. I don’t have a problem with them missing the call in live action but to review it and not fix it is inexcusable. Angel is a liability as an official, sadly you see it in other sports too. Baseball most often, where the officials especially ones that have more bad call than other officials get treated equally. They at least have been doing somethings in baseball to benefit umps that have better call percentages. But it needs to happen in all sports. If there are officials who have missed calls all year they shouldn't be invited to big tens or to nationals imo Full of un-bias blasphemy.
No BS Fan Posted January 26 Posted January 26 Officials should not review their own calls. Like grading you own paper. I'd bet a very high percentage do not overturn their original call. I would assume they said Hardy touched the floor. I also think that any part of your body touches off the mat or even grabbing the edge for a stoppage should be an automatic point. Kind of a compromise to a step out.
mr.nonothingatall Posted January 26 Posted January 26 10 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said: I don't think Angel had a good night, as usual. I remember a dual like 5-6 years ago he did really good. But I can't remember what one it was. That's about the only time I've seen him consistent. It was one of the first times I'd really paid attention to him during a match because he was doing a great job. And boy have I ever been let down since Full of un-bias blasphemy.
Gene Mills Fan Posted January 26 Posted January 26 17 minutes ago, mr.nonothingatall said: I remember a dual like 5-6 years ago he did really good. But I can't remember what one it was. That's about the only time I've seen him consistent. It was one of the first times I'd really paid attention to him during a match because he was doing a great job. And boy have I ever been let down since It's pretty bad when Jim Gibbons is explaining exactly what happened and the correct call is not how Angel calls it. Bailey has 2 ankles then Hardy's right knee goes to the mat. Williams was backing but he just kicked out and was half way OB before Antrell came over and pushed him out. Caliendo took like 5 -7 shots Araujo doesn,t get dinged until 3rd.Before that he breaks his grip and Caliendo doesn't get the escape. Maybe Angel was mad Tom was wearing out the mat with his gold nikes after brick was lost with Bailey.
mr.nonothingatall Posted January 26 Posted January 26 1 minute ago, Gene Mills Fan said: It's pretty bad when Jim Gibbons is explaining exactly what happened and the correct call is not how Angel calls it. Bailey has 2 ankles then Hardy's right knee goes to the mat. Williams was backing but he just kicked out and was half way OB before Antrell came over and pushed him out. Caliendo took like 5 -7 shots Araujo doesn,t get dinged until 3rd.Before that he breaks his grip and Caliendo doesn't get the escape. Maybe Angel was mad Tom was wearing out the mat with his gold nikes after brick was lost with Bailey. Lol has a wrestling coach ever been tossed out. I could see angel doing something like that Full of un-bias blasphemy.
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