Gene Mills Fan Posted July 10 Posted July 10 48 minutes ago, 11986 said: you could do an Iowa only on this topic and be rock solid: Ed and Lou Banach the year Ed was at 190 Brands bros Steiner Bros Zap and Terry Brands Alger and Rico Strittmatter and Juergens etc Gilman Clark McDonough Ramos 1 1
Rassling2 Posted July 10 Posted July 10 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said: Gilman Clark McDonough Ramos Iowa all day back in the day. They were my favorite team some time ago. The toughest looking dudes backing it up on the mat. For me, it all began with the Brands brothers, hands down. Edited July 10 by Rassling2 1
killdozer Posted July 10 Posted July 10 (edited) If you go by Most titles and Finals combined it would be Mark Branch and Pat Smith (6 Titles, 8 Finals) But they were only a combo one year adn Branch had a losing record going into nationals. But Johny Hendricks and Chris Pendleton were pretty good. Edited July 10 by killdozer 1
NewYooper Posted July 10 Posted July 10 As a Cyclone, I must throw in: Jason Smith ..............................................................................................1969-70 (167) Chuck Jean................................................................................................1969-70 (177) Each national champ both years. 1
nhs67 Posted July 10 Posted July 10 For the purpose of that thread, 1 - 2 has meant adjacent weights. So Ruth and Taylor would not qualify. Also, Zain and Nolf (2016-2018) have more (127.5 points) at NCAAs than two 3xers (2021-2023) in Brooks and Starocci (110.5 points). The other aspect is duals. Who was more lethal in duals back to back? 2 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
PortaJohn Posted July 10 Author Posted July 10 3 minutes ago, nhs67 said: For the purpose of that thread, 1 - 2 has meant adjacent weights. So Ruth and Taylor would not qualify. Also, Zain and Nolf (2016-2018) have more (127.5 points) at NCAAs than two 3xers (2021-2023) in Brooks and Starocci (110.5 points). The other aspect is duals. Who was more lethal in duals back to back? Ruth/Taylor 2012 I Don't Agree With What I Posted
11986 Posted July 10 Posted July 10 29 minutes ago, headshuck said: Tim Hartung, Brock Lesnar or Eggum, Hartung 1
Wrestleknownothing Posted July 11 Posted July 11 4 hours ago, PortaJohn said: They only wrestled 1-2 for one year. @Wrestleknownothing can you categorize best career duo and best single season duo? I will take a look tomorrow, vut I can't post any attachments until I get a clean up from Bobbie D. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
ionel Posted July 11 Posted July 11 4 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I will take a look tomorrow, vut I can't post any attachments until I get a clean up from Bobbie D. Get in line ... I asked first. .
nhs67 Posted July 11 Posted July 11 (edited) 3 hours ago, PortaJohn said: Ruth/Taylor 2012 Okay, so is their 1 year going to out-score three combined years of Nolf-Rethorford? Edited July 11 by nhs67 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
RawDog Posted July 11 Posted July 11 6 hours ago, PortaJohn said: Like clockwork and had to make the one idiotic comment Desanto was pretty legit, had wins over Byrd, lovett, gross, rby, suriano, micic(world champ) That's a lot of champs desanto has beat. I realize he makes a lot of idiotic comments but not sure this one is that idiotic. Plus the Lee Desanto bonus rate has to put them pretty high on the 1,2 punch list 1
TampaRyley Posted July 11 Posted July 11 A lot of great ones 1-2 punches, but throwing some love to a smaller program in Edinboro, Aaron Schopp and Mitchell Port were pretty dang good. 3 1
Eagle26 Posted July 11 Posted July 11 I guess it can come down to the age old debate of how you define best - best at peak or best career. Best career, I don’t think there is anyone else that can beat Starocci and Brooks. For 3 years in a row, they were back to back NCAA champs. Then the 4th year there was a weight between them, so I suppose you can’t count that. 9 titles between them for a career is of course impossible to beat, but if you are just counting back to back years it is 6. Don’t think there is any duo with 7, so you have to give them the nod due to the best overall career.
Eagle26 Posted July 11 Posted July 11 Best single season 1-2 punch, would likely be Zain and Nolf 2017. Both undefeated and bonused through the NCAA tournament. Not sure their whole season bonus percentage, but I am almost positive no one would beat it.
nhs67 Posted July 11 Posted July 11 So for the best three year span of 1 - 2 punch, here are the numbers for Zain Retherford/Jason Nolf and Carter Starocci/Aaron Brooks: The one (1) loss for Retherford/Nolf was due to INJURY DEFAULT to Rutgers. Starocci lost to Indiana's Washington 10-9 and Brooks lost to Iowa State's Coleman 9-7. The average dual points for includes getting 0 for their losses. 1 1 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted July 11 Posted July 11 I think the only one that might come close is Nickal and Nolf, but that isn't going to the 1-2 punch, it's going to simply using two teammates for three seasons that align. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Higgitty Posted July 11 Posted July 11 Zain and Nolf Ruth and Taylor Nolf and Nickal Brooks and Starocci
11986 Posted July 11 Posted July 11 (edited) Teague Morre and Eric Guerrero Oklahoma State '97-'99 were a good 1-2 punch TM 4,1,3 over those 3 seasons, EG 1,1,1 Edited July 11 by 11986 1
nhs67 Posted July 11 Posted July 11 9 minutes ago, Higgitty said: Zain and Nolf Ruth and Taylor Nolf and Nickal Brooks and Starocci Zain/Nolf and Brooks/Starocci are the only one with three sustained years. Ruth and Taylor had one year (their soph seasons). Nickal and Nolf never were in adjacent weights, so 1-2 would not apply. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
PortaJohn Posted July 11 Author Posted July 11 (edited) 11 hours ago, nhs67 said: Okay, so is their 1 year going to out-score three combined years of Nolf-Rethorford? Obviously not. I asked Wkn if he could compile two charts. One being the best single season duo. Taylor/Ruth has to be up there in the rankings. We can also see where duo's like 05' Hendricks/Pendleton stack up Edited July 11 by PortaJohn I Don't Agree With What I Posted
nhs67 Posted July 11 Posted July 11 4 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Obviously not. I asked Wkn if he could compile two charts. One being the best single season duo. Taylor/Ruth has to be up there in the rankings. We can also see where duo's like 05' Hendricks/Pendleton stack up Right, well also considering the OP was citing a thread on twitter that has been talking about best 1-2 sustained, which is why Brain said Nolf/Retherford, because they had three years of back-to-back dominance together. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
PortaJohn Posted July 11 Author Posted July 11 3 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Right, well also considering the OP was citing a thread on twitter that has been talking about best 1-2 sustained, which is why Brain said Nolf/Retherford, because they had three years of back-to-back dominance together. For sure and I think the OP is quite the fine fella for bringing this convo over from twitter/X. But we can also change it up a little and look at it from different angles 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted
nhs67 Posted July 11 Posted July 11 Just now, PortaJohn said: For sure and I think the OP is quite the fine fella for bringing this convo over from twitter/X. But we can also change it up a little and look at it from different angles I like it, either way. My apologies for being anal. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
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