I Really Enjoyed the Carter starocci on the Mount Rushmore of wrestling era……..

[Caveira]

Too soon?

[Lleynor]

Who had him as top 4??

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, Lleynor said:

Who had him as top 4??

I’m feeding the trolls.  I have made a ton of posts saying he doesn’t belong on it.  Some of the psu faithful don’t like said posts.   

[mspart]

No one should be eligible for 5 seasons in college.   Or else everyone should be eligible.  I count him as a 4 timer, not a 5 timer. 

mspart

[MPhillips]

8 minutes ago, mspart said:

I count him as a 4 timer, not a 5 timer. 

Which finals opponent of his are you discarding?

[HokieDave87]

2 hours ago, MPhillips said:

Which finals opponent of his are you discarding?

I give Mekhi the win bc of Carter locking hands during rideouts but that has nothing to do with Covid years and everything to do with me being an extreme homer.

[BloodRound]

hahahahahahaha.. brilliant

[BAC]

4 hours ago, Caveira said:

I’m feeding the trolls.

Delete "feeding" and the "s" on trolls, and you'd be on point.

[Caveira]

Just now, BAC said:

Delete "feeding" and the "s" on trolls, and you'd be on point.

Stop shaming women for reporting rape and you’d be on point.  

[Saylors_Tiny_Willie]

13 hours ago, Caveira said:

Too soon?

You and I agree on nothing else.

:fist bump:

[Saylors_Tiny_Willie]

7 hours ago, Caveira said:

Stop shaming women for reporting rape and you’d be on point.  

My dude.

First PD3, now you.

I feel .... dirty.

[ionel]

13 hours ago, Caveira said:

Too soon?

Is that you Jimmy?  Nah ... nothing is too soon for Jimmy. 

[SocraTease]

Over on the Penn State forum, a lot of the cult members (who preach "In Cael We Trust") are either defending Starocci (passively, actively, or passive aggressively), criticizing the reporting (when they are also unaware of what fully happened), or questioning Bartlett's account, words, or actions in either staying at Penn State through the years or now leaving.  It's such a cult obsessed with Iowa; prone to religiosity; and focused on excommunicating anyone who doesn't toe the party line.  

While one naturally shouldn't "convict" solely on this basis,  Starocci's character, as evidenced by his words, tweets, macho posturing and preening, threats to others, and self-involvement have repeatedly raised questions about who he really is; whereas Bartlett comes across as a likable stand-up guy, a supportive team member, and a humble athlete who respects his opponents.   

[Wrestleknownothing]

8 hours ago, SocraTease said:

Over on the Penn State forum, a lot of the cult members (who preach "In Cael We Trust") are either defending Starocci (passively, actively, or passive aggressively), criticizing the reporting (when they are also unaware of what fully happened), or questioning Bartlett's account, words, or actions in either staying at Penn State through the years or now leaving.  It's such a cult obsessed with Iowa; prone to religiosity; and focused on excommunicating anyone who doesn't toe the party line.  

While one naturally shouldn't "convict" solely on this basis,  Starocci's character, as evidenced by his words, tweets, macho posturing and preening, threats to others, and self-involvement have repeatedly raised questions about who he really is; whereas Bartlett comes across as a likable stand-up guy, a supportive team member, and a humble athlete who respects his opponents.   

You must have read a different thread than I did.

[Wrestleknownothing]

20 hours ago, mspart said:

No one should be eligible for 5 seasons in college.   Or else everyone should be eligible.  I count him as a 4 timer, not a 5 timer. 

mspart

 

20 hours ago, MPhillips said:

Which finals opponent of his are you discarding?

Clearly they all happened. But I am of the opinion that the fifth one is irrelevant for deciding Mt. Rushmore status. And now I feel a little icky about the other four.

[MPhillips]

5 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Clearly they all happened.

@mspartis only counting four.

[nhs67]

Being the only '5' timer makes it so he likely deserved a spot.

All this?  Gone.

[mspart]

8 hours ago, MPhillips said:

@mspartis only counting four.

Nobody should get a 5th season in college sports.   You get four.   Is there a new grade level in college I am unaware of?   freshman, sophomore, junior, senior, and then what?   There is no other "then what".   There are 4 years of eligibility.   Starocci should not have been allowed to compete last year in my humble opinion.   You guys can't make me believe it should be otherwise.   You can criticize me for my position but you can't make me believe that for a very short period of time, people deserved a 5th year when no one else does outside of that time frame.  It's a ridiculous concept. 

mspart

[SunDevil]

On 6/26/2025 at 7:53 AM, Caveira said:

Too soon?

Bigger question. Will this tarnish Cael enough to pull him off? 

[MPhillips]

4 hours ago, mspart said:

You guys can't make me believe it should be otherwise.  

 I'm certainly not. I'm only curious who isn't a runner up?

[Mr. PeanutButter]

15 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

 I'm certainly not. I'm only curious who isn't a runner up?

I guess the 5th title should be void but if I was making the rules I'd take away the first one...

[MPhillips]

33 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

if I was making the rules I'd take away the first one...

So Kem isn't runner up.

[scourge165]

On 6/26/2025 at 11:28 AM, Caveira said:

I’m feeding the trolls.  I have made a ton of posts saying he doesn’t belong on it.  Some of the psu faithful don’t like said posts.   

No, your logic was SO stupid.

It was after the Iowa duel and you thought because Ferrari ran from him for 7 minutes that you were justified in "pre-emptively," keeping him off Mt Rushmore and saying he stalled...when up until that point, he had bonus points in every match but one. 

[scourge165]

5 hours ago, mspart said:

Nobody should get a 5th season in college sports.   You get four.   Is there a new grade level in college I am unaware of?   freshman, sophomore, junior, senior, and then what?   There is no other "then what".   There are 4 years of eligibility.   Starocci should not have been allowed to compete last year in my humble opinion.   You guys can't make me believe it should be otherwise.   You can criticize me for my position but you can't make me believe that for a very short period of time, people deserved a 5th year when no one else does outside of that time frame.  It's a ridiculous concept. 

mspart

Yeah...but it still happened...even if it's stupid. 

To go down this road, Hendrickson's title over Stevenson doesn't count.

And what do you do with Brooks or Nick Lee? Guys who were 1 or 2 seeds and had just 1 loss each(which they'd avenged). 

 

How would you have done it?

If you lost the ability to compete in the tournament in '20, you get an extra year, but no more than 4? So Brooks still gets the 4 and Starocci and he are done the same year...conversely, Lugo, Pletcher, Moore...Lee, they get another year?

[Wrestleknownothing]

20 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Yeah...but it still happened...even if it's stupid. 

To go down this road, Hendrickson's title over Stevenson doesn't count.

And what do you do with Brooks or Nick Lee? Guys who were 1 or 2 seeds and had just 1 loss each(which they'd avenged). 

 

How would you have done it?

If you lost the ability to compete in the tournament in '20, you get an extra year, but no more than 4? So Brooks still gets the 4 and Starocci and he are done the same year...conversely, Lugo, Pletcher, Moore...Lee, they get another year?

Nick Lee got 4 years. Lugo, Pletcher, Moore, Hall, Joseph (and others I am forgetting) got short changed.