Bo Bachelor round 2

[1032004]

18 minutes ago, yubfrontin said:

I mean they are both extremely uncommon where I am from. I only know 2 kids who were held back. One actually went to my school and the other I met as an adult and he was from a different state. One was a dummy and the other turned 19 a month before we graduated. 

Are you from America?  Because it’s extremely common here especially if we’re including delaying kindergarten by a year as “being held back” (and I believe that was one of Bo’s extra years)

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Are you from America?  Because it’s extremely common here especially if we’re including delaying kindergarten by a year as “being held back” (and I believe that was one of Bo’s extra years)

Put a number on extremely common.   No one ever cites one.

[1032004]

10 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Put a number on extremely common.   No one ever cites one.

My personal opinion, about 10-15% of all students.  I’d guess around 20% of D1 athletes.

[Caveira]

Just now, 1032004 said:

My personal opinion, about 10-15% of all students.  I’d guess around 20% of D1 athletes.

While it's not common for high school athletes to skip a grade solely to improve their athletic performance, some students do consider it, particularly those with exceptional talent. There isn't a specific statistic on the percentage of athletes skipping grades for this reason, but the practice is rare and often discouraged by schools. More commonly, students might skip a grade for academic or social reasons, which could indirectly benefit their athletic career. 

 

Here's a more detailed look:

• Not a typical athletic strategy:

  Skipping a grade to get better at a sport is not a standard practice in high school athletics. Most athletes focus on improving through training, coaching, and playing on competitive teams within their age group

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

 

While it's not common for high school athletes to skip a grade solely to improve their athletic performance, some students do consider it, particularly those with exceptional talent. There isn't a specific statistic on the percentage of athletes skipping grades for this reason, but the practice is rare and often discouraged by schools. More commonly, students might skip a grade for academic or social reasons, which could indirectly benefit their athletic career. 

 

Here's a more detailed look:

• Not a typical athletic strategy:

  Skipping a grade to get better at a sport is not a standard practice in high school athletics. Most athletes focus on improving through training, coaching, and playing on competitive teams within their age group

Skipping a grade is the OPPOSITE of what you are talking about. You have even confused yourself.

[NorthCarolina]

15 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Put a number on extremely common.   No one ever cites one.

4% to 6% of students according to most research. I would say we will that number be reassessed to 7% to 10% as studies begin to include this current crop of post covid kindergarteners. 

[Caveira]

8 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Skipping a grade is the OPPOSITE of what you are talking about. You have even confused yourself.

I know some that have skipped.   Call of duty in 8th grade anyone?

[1032004]

10 minutes ago, NorthCarolina said:

4% to 6% of students according to most research. I would say we will that number be reassessed to 7% to 10% as studies begin to include this current crop of post covid kindergarteners. 

Yes doing a quick search I saw the Stanford study that said that, but was from 2013.

[Wrestleknownothing]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I know some that have skipped.   Call of duty in 8th grade anyone?

That was not skipping. That is holding back. You really have zero idea what you are talking about, but boy it never stops you from talking.

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

That was not skipping. That is holding back. You really have zero idea what you are talking about, but boy it never stops you from talking.

Bla bla bla.  Whatever term you like it had nothing to do with academics and everything to do with getting an unfair leg up on competition.   He didn’t go to school in this example.  He stayed home and played vids and that’s just plain wrong.  

[Wrestleknownothing]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Bla bla bla.  Whatever term you like it had nothing to do with academics and everything to do with getting an unfair leg up on competition.   He didn’t go to school in this example.  He stayed home and played vids and that’s just plain wrong.  

It is hard to take anything you say seriously when you do not know the definition of the words you use to make your arguments. Almost like someone who spent his time playing video games instead of going to school.

[1032004]

36 minutes ago, NorthCarolina said:

4% to 6% of students according to most research. I would say we will that number be reassessed to 7% to 10% as studies begin to include this current crop of post covid kindergarteners. 

Also that number is only kindergarten redshirts, doesn’t include kids being held back at any point between starting kindergarten and graduating high school (some of which had done both, like Bo), which would also be part of my estimate. 

[1032004]

14 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Who even would be responsible for enforcing the 250 mile thing?  USA Wrestling, not the NCAA, right?

Corby and MSU158 are currently arguing about this on the Iowa board.  Corby says USAW, MSU says NCAA.  Corby also thinks they’re just going to get rid of the 250 mile rule altogether 

[BruceyB]

If I'm not mistaken, Bo wrestled at 95 pounds at super 32 during his holdback year. His holdback was not to gain a "competitive advantage" but to avoid a massive disadvantage that would be wrestling as a notably undersized 106 as a freshman. @Caveira thinks this is among the more deplorable acts in human behavior. I simply disagree and say let the kid make the most of his high school years in athletics. High school wrestling was some of the best times I've had in my life, and to hold back and extra year due to being behind maturity wise (which is how any 15 year old weighs less than 100 pounds) is fine with me.

[BruceyB]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

Corby and MSU158 are currently arguing about this on the Iowa board.  Corby says USAW, MSU says NCAA.  Corby also thinks they’re just going to get rid of the 250 mile rule altogether 

It is a dumb rule. Who cares if a kid wants to take a 2 hour flight vs 4 hour drive to train. 

[Caveira]

9 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

If I'm not mistaken, Bo wrestled at 95 pounds at super 32 during his holdback year. His holdback was not to gain a "competitive advantage" but to avoid a massive disadvantage that would be wrestling as a notably undersized 106 as a freshman. @Caveira thinks this is among the more deplorable acts in human behavior. I simply disagree and say let the kid make the most of his high school years in athletics. High school wrestling was some of the best times I've had in my life, and to hold back and extra year due to being behind maturity wise (which is how any 15 year old weighs less than 100 pounds) is fine with me.

9 lbs with a year to grow isn’t a lot.  Maybe don’t over train and over cut when you are 6/7/8th grade.  

[scourge165]

49 minutes ago, Caveira said:

9 lbs with a year to grow isn’t a lot.  Maybe don’t over train and over cut when you are 6/7/8th grade.  

Yeah, 95 to 106 is 11 pounds. I know that Math can get difficult, but...not 9 pounds. 

And that's over 10% of his body weight. That's a BIG difference. That's a 150 having to Wrestle ~170. 

 

You asked me on another thread why I cared so much about a cease-fire. Why do YOU care so much about a kid being held back a year so he's ready to compete or MORE ready to compete given everything that's at stake for some of these kids? 

Live changing NIL money. Just 200K at 19 years old is tens of millions if invested right by retirement age. 

 

You have an odd metric for "deplorable." 

[dragit]

12 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

I think it is important to look at his entire body of work.  What if I used Chris Pendleton to say Ben Askren isn't actually a good scrambler

You're getting at relativity, which is fine.  But if we're going to make relative arguments, my view is that although compared to the field, Spencer is a good scrambler, it's probably his weakest skill.  He is an absolute beast at muscling guys around and putting them off balance and then taking them down on his feet, and he is a killing machine on top.  Those are dominant skills that he is the best at by far. In scrambles, however, his opponents have had far more luck in getting into winning positions and tagging him with his very rare losses. 

[BruceyB]

2 hours ago, Caveira said:

9 lbs with a year to grow isn’t a lot.  Maybe don’t over train and over cut when you are 6/7/8th grade.  

Once again. You lack reading comprehension. He was Wrestling 95 during his hold back year. This means that if he would have wrestled as a freshman that year, he would have weighed in at 11 pounds under 106 at Super32 just a month and a half before the high school season, not a year. Honestly, do you even try to  understand what you're responding to?

Side Question: When has Bo ever cut a significant amount of weight? He's jumped weights every year of high school and only sought out the toughest competition. Please don't try to answer because I'm sure you're as clueless on this topic as any of the others regarding him.

I'm not even a Bo Bassett guy, but the way you and the rest of the ignorant haters make false statements about him, his age, and his "advantages" is just absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Gene Mills Fan]

Do you think The nil transfers out of Iowa football has had an impact on their(bob and donors) nil rules or prepayment conditions. Also the Raineys efforts and their sudden change of course in both Iowa NIL and Bo's eyes.  Also if Nebraska interest comes up the JB workout would be considered the final influencer! 

[Dogbone]

6 hours ago, BruceyB said:

Once again. You lack reading comprehension. He was Wrestling 95 during his hold back year. 

 

I don't think that is correct.  His RS would have been 21-22 school year, if he is going to graduate in 2026.   According to Track he was wrestling between 100 - 106 in the spring of 2021. He won Cadets at 45 KG (99 lbs) in July of 2021 before he redshirted. 

I suppose you could argue that the best 99 lber in the world in July 2021, would of needed to a redshirt to compete at the State tournament in March 2022 at 106, but he wasn't competing at 95 lbs when he would of been a freshman.