Program culture issues at NLWC/PSU? Thomas Gilman

[1032004]

9 hours ago, okokzach said:

you forgot Braeden Davis dirty bulking with Bud heavies and doing live gos with cops

Could probably also add their 5x national champ drawing pictures of sex toys on competing wrestlers, and the guy running an MMA gym in town telling haters to suck his D (I guess Snyder isn’t the only PSU/NLWC-affiliated athlete looking for that outside of marriage)

Edited yesterday at 12:19 PM by 1032004

[JimmyCinnabon]

On 5/24/2025 at 7:56 AM, The Kid said:

Why should the rules apply to Thomas Gilman,?

What rules don't apply to him?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

13 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

 

Thomas Gilman ignored USADA not once, not twice, but three times while an active athlete. How do we know he is active? Two reasons: 1) he literally said "Not retired." during the timeframe in question 2) He went back to the NLWC room and then accepted the freakin' suspension! He didn't say "ahh crap sorry let me make a quick press conference where I set the record straight that I just blew them off because I was done." **lots of twists on the top of the tinfoil hat**

 

 

... not to mention Gilman had a freestyle match against a Cuban on the ISU roster.

[BlueWolverine]

There's an investigation into the Dundee HS wrestling program here in Michigan. It stems from a specific recent incident but with that it's been brought up and discussed how that program has a long history of bullying and abuse. From some of the interviews and comments, it's pretty clear that (without naming them), Davis and his dad are some of the worst offenders. So, it'll be interesting if anything comes from that.

[WrestlingRasta]

On 5/25/2025 at 1:29 AM, scourge165 said:

Is Weed still on the banned substance list? I thought it was taken off(edit-I just realized, I don't think I thought it'd been taking off...I still remember Richardson getting a short suspension, I guess I just kinda assumed it had until I thought about her). 

I couldn't care less if a guy gets popped for Weed. I don' think there's much embarrassment associated with that. There are too many elite athletes who partake for pain management...and I'd smoke daily if it didn't have me in the corner of my own house all paranoid and weird. 

Oh, and I've NEVER met a pot smoker who didn't say, "oh no, this doesn't make you paranoid, it's a nice mellow buzz and great for your joints." And...I've always found it to be nonsense...maybe my joins feel better, IDK...I'm too damn paranoid. But that goes back about a decade since I've last been fooled by that little...persuasion tactic. 

Meet #1.  I never, ever feel paranoid. And yes the pain management is for real.

[Le duke]

46 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

... not to mention Gilman had a freestyle match against a Cuban on the ISU roster.

 

That wasn't a UWW-sanctioned match.

[Winners Circle]

If there's program/culture issues at PSU/NLWC, I think every program would love to have those issues.

[Truzzcat]

48 minutes ago, BlueWolverine said:

There's an investigation into the Dundee HS wrestling program here in Michigan. It stems from a specific recent incident but with that it's been brought up and discussed how that program has a long history of bullying and abuse. From some of the interviews and comments, it's pretty clear that (without naming them), Davis and his dad are some of the worst offenders. So, it'll be interesting if anything comes from that.

did Barr go to Dundee as well or was he a davison kid?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

3 minutes ago, Le duke said:

 

That wasn't a UWW-sanctioned match.

I don't recall saying it was.  I'm just using it as a sign that he wasn't retired.

[1032004]

55 minutes ago, BlueWolverine said:

There's an investigation into the Dundee HS wrestling program here in Michigan. It stems from a specific recent incident but with that it's been brought up and discussed how that program has a long history of bullying and abuse. From some of the interviews and comments, it's pretty clear that (without naming them), Davis and his dad are some of the worst offenders. So, it'll be interesting if anything comes from that.

Is his Dad a coach or something?  Braeden has been gone for 2+ years, I’m not sure I’d blame him for anything especially if this is about a specific incident

[BlueWolverine]

33 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Is his Dad a coach or something?  Braeden has been gone for 2+ years, I’m not sure I’d blame him for anything especially if this is about a specific incident

No, people are bringing up past events and incidents to suggest that it's been going on for a while within their program. A former dad who has basically been going on a media tour has referenced that one of the worst culprits (along with his dad) is now wrestling at a major university. Swiderski was Dundee, but that guy has said specifically that's not who he's referring to.

Barr was a Davison HS kid.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

I do wonder if PSU administrators are aware or even care that a coach/mentor with an association to their athletes is currently serving a USADA suspension.

No, NLWC isn't officially a PSU thing, but PSU coaches are on the staff and are NLWC athletes.  The NLWC coaches/athletes work with the PSU kids. Etc. Etc.  There is a lot of grey area, and I have to wonder what admin would think about Gilman?

[PortaJohn]

5 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I do wonder if PSU administrators are aware or even care that a coach/mentor with an association to their athletes is currently serving a USADA suspension.

No, NLWC isn't officially a PSU thing, but PSU coaches are on the staff and are NLWC athletes.  The NLWC coaches/athletes work with the PSU kids. Etc. Etc.  There is a lot of grey area, and I have to wonder what admin would think about Gilman?

Why would they care?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, PortaJohn said:

Why would they care?

Because he is working with their athletes and he is suspended by a drug testing organization?  Granted the PSU athletic department does have a history of looking the other way, but I would think that would make them extra vigilant.

[PortaJohn]

2 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Because he is working with their athletes and he is suspended by a drug testing organization?  Granted the PSU athletic department does have a history of looking the other way, but I would think that would make them extra vigilant.

Did he test positive?  

[JimmyCinnabon]

2 hours ago, BlueWolverine said:

There's an investigation into the Dundee HS wrestling program here in Michigan. It stems from a specific recent incident but with that it's been brought up and discussed how that program has a long history of bullying and abuse. From some of the interviews and comments, it's pretty clear that (without naming them), Davis and his dad are some of the worst offenders. So, it'll be interesting if anything comes from that.

When I wrestled some of the guys decided to haze and bully the coaches by dipping one coaches whistle in the toilet. A team captain knew about it and did not tell the coach before he used his whistle. Let me tell you that it was not a fun day after practice for the two guys who did it and the captain who knew.  They had PIs after practice, and it wasn't pretty.

[1032004]

59 minutes ago, BlueWolverine said:

No, people are bringing up past events and incidents to suggest that it's been going on for a while within their program. A former dad who has basically been going on a media tour has referenced that one of the worst culprits (along with his dad) is now wrestling at a major university. Swiderski was Dundee, but that guy has said specifically that's not who he's referring to.

Barr was a Davison HS kid.

“Former” dad?  Was his kid on the team during the recent incident?  If not why is he doing interviews? If so, I am no PSU fan but sounds like he’s just in CYA mode.  If it’s been an issue for years why wasn’t it reported previously?

Edit: and how the heck would a dad that’s not a coach even be involved in hazing?

Edited yesterday at 05:36 PM by 1032004

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

21 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Did he test positive?  

You know the answer to that.

The point is, a suspension is not a good look.  Maybe not someone you want associated with your program.

Are you aware that refusal to take a breathalyzer often results in a OUI conviction?

[Wrestleknownothing]

6 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

You know the answer to that.

The point is, a suspension is not a good look.  Maybe not someone you want associated with your program.

Are you aware that refusal to take a breathalyzer often results in a OUI conviction?

My guess is that their level of concern would be minimal, at best, for the same reason a whereabouts violation, particularly for a wrestler who is not active and close to aged out, is nowhere near a similar situation to a refusal to take a breathalyzer.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, Wrestleknownothing said:

My guess is that their level of concern would be minimal, at best, for the same reason a whereabouts violation, particularly for a wrestler who is not active and close to aged out, is nowhere near a similar situation to a refusal to take a breathalyzer.

Yes, it is absolutely very similar.  It is similar in that with both cases, you refuse to take a drug test.

And some people are acting very differently about this than they did when Tsabalov was suspended for the same thing...

[PortaJohn]

1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Yes, it is absolutely very similar.  It is similar in that with both cases, you refuse to take a drug test.

And some people are acting very differently about this than they did when Tsabalov was suspended for the same thing...

Who is acting differently?  Is anyone stating that he should not be suspended?

[Wrestleknownothing]

3 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Yes, it is absolutely very similar.  It is similar in that with both cases, you refuse to take a drug test.

And some people are acting very differently about this than they did when Tsabalov was suspended for the same thing...

No, it is not similar. In one case the request is being made because there is probable cause to think the person is guilty, in the other there is not. No one is randomly administered breathalyzers just because they have a license. Wrestlers are randomly chosen for testing just because they are members of UWW.

[Formally140]

20 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

“Former” dad?  Was his kid on the team during the recent incident?  If not why is he doing interviews? If so, I am no PSU fan but sounds like he’s just in CYA mode.  If it’s been an issue for years why wasn’t it reported previously?

Edit: and how the heck would a dad that’s not a coach even be involved in hazing?

Anyone who knows anything about the other "non public" issues "allegedly" going on. (I'm talking multiple things in multiple places throughout the country). 
 

can probably tell you about how many times things have been reported. Or they were known and people found ways to explain/justify it. On top of safesport being a joke because (just what I know of)

1. Safesport interviewing multiple former athletes about a coach "behavior". ALL of them saying it happened. Even if it was embarrassing to admit it.. and the dude is apparently still certified and coaching, just laying low.

2. Coaches being suspended by USA wrestling for one flimsy procedural thing so they don't have to admit about the worse thing that "allegedly" happened. Then the coach is reinstated later. 
 

3. Coaches leaving a college because of alleged inappropriate behavior and still being allowed to coach at final x with overwhelming evidence.

If you actually start talking to people around the sport. Whether it's PEDs, inappropriate behavior, bullying, weight cutting cheating, transfers, etc. etc. etc... there may or may not be "evidence". Of the metaphorical fire there's a hella lot of smoke. 
 

but every time it comes up people want to blow it off.  Or devolve like this discussion. My main point. Be glad the hazing is even getting discussed 

[1032004]

35 minutes ago, Formally140 said:

Anyone who knows anything about the other "non public" issues "allegedly" going on. (I'm talking multiple things in multiple places throughout the country). 
 

can probably tell you about how many times things have been reported. Or they were known and people found ways to explain/justify it. On top of safesport being a joke because (just what I know of)

1. Safesport interviewing multiple former athletes about a coach "behavior". ALL of them saying it happened. Even if it was embarrassing to admit it.. and the dude is apparently still certified and coaching, just laying low.

2. Coaches being suspended by USA wrestling for one flimsy procedural thing so they don't have to admit about the worse thing that "allegedly" happened. Then the coach is reinstated later. 
 

3. Coaches leaving a college because of alleged inappropriate behavior and still being allowed to coach at final x with overwhelming evidence.

If you actually start talking to people around the sport. Whether it's PEDs, inappropriate behavior, bullying, weight cutting cheating, transfers, etc. etc. etc... there may or may not be "evidence". Of the metaphorical fire there's a hella lot of smoke. 
 

but every time it comes up people want to blow it off.  Or devolve like this discussion. My main point. Be glad the hazing is even getting discussed 

I’m not blowing it off.  I just think it’s silly to try to shift blame from the recent incident to someone that’s been gone for 2 years.

Edited 23 hours ago by 1032004

[Formally140]

7 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I’m not blowing it off.  I just think it’s silly to try to shift blame from the recent incident to someone that’s been gone for 2 years.

Bullying and hazing culture is usually in place for a while before any word gets out because it usually has to escalate