BuckyBadger Posted April 29 Posted April 29 (edited) Hasn’t Cole usually been in a weight class or two below Connor? But this past weekend Cole was heavy and Connor was two classes below. Seems they both are naturally somewhere in the 92-97 kg weights for freestyle. What are their planned weights for the up coming college season? Does one of them take over for Kerk? Also curious how they each stack up vs Barr in the room. Edited April 29 by BuckyBadger
nhs67 Posted April 29 Posted April 29 Cole is the larger one. Has been. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
BarSeries Posted April 29 Posted April 29 Cole has always been heavier. Yes, Cole take over 285. And Connor, well, he'll be in the room.
juniorvarsity Posted April 30 Posted April 30 The smaller Mirasola has always had more success too, yet the lineup fit at Penn State is an issue becYse of 197. 17 hours ago, Caveira said: The hwt weighed in at almost 220 lbs How did you hear this? He looks it. 220 is small enough to cause problems, but it's a very different heavyweight field next year. None of the top guys are pushing the weight limit aside from maybe Nathan Taylor, but Feldman beat him last November.
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted April 30 Posted April 30 Both are too small for HWT. The smaller Mirasola could probably make 184 without too much trouble. The bigger one will struggle to break 230 without putting on bad weight.
MNRodent Posted April 30 Posted April 30 2 hours ago, juniorvarsity said: The smaller Mirasola has always had more success too, yet the lineup fit at Penn State is an issue becYse of 197. How did you hear this? He looks it. 220 is small enough to cause problems, but it's a very different heavyweight field next year. None of the top guys are pushing the weight limit aside from maybe Nathan Taylor, but Feldman beat him last November. At one time, the site showed their weigh-ins. I think they were something like Cole M. 218, Mocco 230, Hopke 250, Merrill and Dellegata around 265. I don't remember what Ross was, probably somewhat similar to Mirasola. Don't trust me on these completely, I'm going from memory. 2
JimmyCinnabon Posted April 30 Posted April 30 22 hours ago, nhs67 said: Cole is the larger one. Has been. Why does the larger twin not simply eat the smaller one?
Wrestleknownothing Posted April 30 Posted April 30 22 minutes ago, JimmyCinnabon said: Why does the larger twin not simply eat the smaller one? Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
nhs67 Posted May 1 Posted May 1 22 hours ago, JimmyCinnabon said: Why does the larger twin not simply eat the smaller one? Moidah. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
scourge165 Posted May 2 Posted May 2 (edited) On 4/29/2025 at 10:49 AM, BuckyBadger said: Hasn’t Cole usually been in a weight class or two below Connor? But this past weekend Cole was heavy and Connor was two classes below. Seems they both are naturally somewhere in the 92-97 kg weights for freestyle. What are their planned weights for the up coming college season? Does one of them take over for Kerk? Also curious how they each stack up vs Barr in the room. I didn't think they were much different in size, I just thought that was how they worked it out so Connor wasn't Wrestling Sinclair. Cole=Not cutting weight, Connor actually had to cut some weight to go 195. And when I say "they worked it out," the AWA guys just spread out among the weights. On 4/30/2025 at 8:08 AM, MNRodent said: At one time, the site showed their weigh-ins. I think they were something like Cole M. 218, Mocco 230, Hopke 250, Merrill and Dellegata around 265. I don't remember what Ross was, probably somewhat similar to Mirasola. Don't trust me on these completely, I'm going from memory. I saw it as well, but I didn't think Hopke was that big. He's put on a lot of weight. Edited May 2 by scourge165
UncleDon89 Posted May 2 Posted May 2 Penn State hasn't sent this freshman class to Treigning Lab in an off season yet, so I'm sure Cole Mirasola and Barr will put on some good weight this off season. The "supplements" in that gym have done a lot for Penn State wrestlers throughout the years. Not sure what the plan is for Connor (currently walks roughly 205). Time will tell. 2 1 1
Fletcher Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Just listened to the Bo Nickal podcast with them from last month. Conner says he tops off at 205 and is just over 197 after practice. Cole says he's 225 and hoping to get to 235-240 by the start of next season.
Hammerlock3 Posted May 4 Posted May 4 On 5/2/2025 at 4:32 AM, UncleDon89 said: Penn State hasn't sent this freshman class to Treigning Lab in an off season yet, so I'm sure Cole Mirasola and Barr will put on some good weight this off season. The "supplements" in that gym have done a lot for Penn State wrestlers throughout the years. Not sure what the plan is for Connor (currently walks roughly 205). Time will tell. I don't like snide remarks like this, people have 2nd puberties all the time. 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
pokemonster Posted May 4 Posted May 4 14 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: I don't like snide remarks like this, people have 2nd puberties all the time. I'm still hoping mine happens
pokemonster Posted May 4 Posted May 4 Pyles made a long post saying how much weight the heavyweight twin gave up vs the comp. Felt like a weird post cuz Mocco, Ross, etc all looked to be around the same weight unless I'm missing something. https://www.instagram.com/p/DJMY9QPtwCg/?igsh=ZHRzaHZ2NHNtamNi
D3 for LU Posted May 4 Posted May 4 56 minutes ago, pokemonster said: I'm still hoping mine happens D3 Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Hammerlock3 Posted May 4 Posted May 4 5 hours ago, pokemonster said: Pyles made a long post saying how much weight the heavyweight twin gave up vs the comp. Felt like a weird post cuz Mocco, Ross, etc all looked to be around the same weight unless I'm missing something. https://www.instagram.com/p/DJMY9QPtwCg/?igsh=ZHRzaHZ2NHNtamNi pyles thinks if he covers for them enough they'll like him. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
pokemonster Posted May 4 Posted May 4 2 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: pyles thinks if he covers for them enough they'll like him. One thing I found pretty cringe during the open was his use of first names for specific wrestlers as if he's buddy buddy with them. Didn't feel like unbiased announcing. Anyone know how much dreshaun Ross weighs? I feel like he's one of the few wrestlers nowadays who isn't a 19 year old junior.
Hammerlock3 Posted May 4 Posted May 4 5 minutes ago, pokemonster said: One thing I found pretty cringe during the open was his use of first names for specific wrestlers as if he's buddy buddy with them. Didn't feel like unbiased announcing. Yeah I've mentioned before, its beyond gross. "Daton" is particularly bad, likely because he could say "Fix" which is less syllables and more distinctive but he's too busy trying to sound like he's invited to christmas dinner 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
okokzach Posted May 4 Posted May 4 7 hours ago, pokemonster said: Pyles made a long post saying how much weight the heavyweight twin gave up vs the comp. Felt like a weird post cuz Mocco, Ross, etc all looked to be around the same weight unless I'm missing something. https://www.instagram.com/p/DJMY9QPtwCg/?igsh=ZHRzaHZ2NHNtamNi Weigh-ins for the top six U20 125kg guys (in lbs) at the US Open: 219 — Cole Mirasola 226 — Dreshaun Ross 232 — Michael Mocco 246 — Koy Hopke 265 — Rocco Dellagatta 265 — Coby Merrill So yeah, Cole gave up only 7 lbs to Ross and 13 to Mocco. 1
pokemonster Posted May 4 Posted May 4 44 minutes ago, okokzach said: Weigh-ins for the top six U20 125kg guys (in lbs) at the US Open: 219 — Cole Mirasola 226 — Dreshaun Ross 232 — Michael Mocco 246 — Koy Hopke 265 — Rocco Dellagatta 265 — Coby Merrill So yeah, Cole gave up only 7 lbs to Ross and 13 to Mocco. So yeah, weird post by CP. The 2 or 3 years Dreshaun and Mocco give up to Mirasola is much more impressive than 7 or 13 lbs imo. 1
MNRodent Posted May 5 Posted May 5 I've never thought of weight as an advantage for your better than average heavyweights. There is pretty much an inverse relationship between body weight and speed/mobility, as long as skill level is about even. Someone should do a study of high school and college Hwts to see how often the heavier guy wins, using a sample of random dual meets or tournaments. In college it seems like the sweet spot is around 250 lbs. Big enough to not get pushed around, but not so big that they slow down.
pokemonster Posted May 5 Posted May 5 51 minutes ago, MNRodent said: I've never thought of weight as an advantage for your better than average heavyweights. There is pretty much an inverse relationship between body weight and speed/mobility, as long as skill level is about even. Someone should do a study of high school and college Hwts to see how often the heavier guy wins, using a sample of random dual meets or tournaments. In college it seems like the sweet spot is around 250 lbs. Big enough to not get pushed around, but not so big that they slow down. How does height factor in? Say a 6' 230 and 6'5 dude have the same exact proportions, muscle density, etc, is one more explosive than the other?
scourge165 Posted May 5 Posted May 5 7 hours ago, okokzach said: Weigh-ins for the top six U20 125kg guys (in lbs) at the US Open: 219 — Cole Mirasola 226 — Dreshaun Ross 232 — Michael Mocco 246 — Koy Hopke 265 — Rocco Dellagatta 265 — Coby Merrill So yeah, Cole gave up only 7 lbs to Ross and 13 to Mocco. Ross is going to be a problem when he's ~245-260. If he can put that weight on....and he looks like he should be able to, he's different than the rest of these guys IMO.
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