Penn State sit outs / breaks from comp

[pokemonster]

It's clear that Penn State has the general philosophy to compete as little as possible whether that be freestyle or folkstyle. Aaron Brooks is slated to be out an entire year as he bulks up, no competition during this time. Very odd. One has to wonder, are these freestyle comps, national duals, etc interfering with something else, perhaps cycles of known performance enhancers? Less competition = less opportunities for testing. Hard to argue that it doesn't make you wonder. 

Edited Sunday at 12:28 AM by pokemonster

[flyingcement]

Out the entire year for bulk up? seems weird.  any other reasons why someone would sit out a full year?  hidden injury?  Anything else?

[Animal197]

I thought I heard something on a podcast that alluded to an injury. 
 

is he planning to go to 92 or directly to 97? I’ve heard that 97 for the next Olympics was the goal. Going directly to 97 would be interesting with Snyder in the same room.
 

With respect to the other suggestion, can’t you look it up if someone is out of the testing pool?

[okokzach]

He was an enormous 86. Pyles said he pulled out of the Lee-Ono event against Zahid because he wasn't going to be able to make weight. He doesn't need to bulk unless he's just going to bypass 92kg on his way to 97. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

Freestyle wrestlers do not wrestle often. In 12 year Sadulaev has 163 matches and has gone 10 months to 1 year between competitions 4 times.

[pokemonster]

28 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Freestyle wrestlers do not wrestle often. In 12 year Sadulaev has 163 matches and has gone 10 months to 1 year between competitions 4 times.

Also avoiding the testing?

[Caveira]

14 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Also avoiding the testing?

Is this what Meyer Shapiro and Dylan palacio were referring to in that interview/tweet at NCAAs this year?

[Wrestleknownothing]

24 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Also avoiding the testing?

If so, so is every freestyle wrestler ever.

[scourge165]

14 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

If so, so is every freestyle wrestler ever.

Well...not Schultz...but sure.

 

I would think if you're bulking up, you're probably going to try and get up to ~220-225 while lifting and just not cutting weight(it's about as big as I can imagine Brooks getting). 

So maybe he just doesn't want to cut at all, even a relatively easy cut. 

 

I'm like 99% sure you can still be tested even if you're not competing though, so I doubt that's the reason. Some bigger conspiracy. Like Cael, a guy who doesn't drink Coffee is running some big roid ring for his Wrestlers and scheduling competition around it? Seems...a bit silly. 

[AgaveMaria]

Some bigger conspiracy. Like Cael, a guy who doesn't drink Coffee is running some big roid ring for his Wrestlers and scheduling competition around it? Seems...a bit silly. 

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Coffee, tea & booze are forbidden with the Mormon Word of Wisdom., the "revelation" that says doing so is advisable so you will "run and not be weary and walk and not faint".

It also says "eat meat sparingly, only in times of cold and famine" - yet every Mormon I know scarfs the burgers & steaks every chance they get. Selective beliefs.

Edited Sunday at 02:54 AM by AgaveMaria

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, AgaveMaria said:

Some bigger conspiracy. Like Cael, a guy who doesn't drink Coffee is running some big roid ring for his Wrestlers and scheduling competition around it? Seems...a bit silly. 

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Coffee, tea & booze are forbidden with the Mormon Word of Wisdom., the "revelation" that says doing so is advisable so you will "run and not be weary and walk and not faint".

It also says "eat meat sparingly, only in times of cold and famine" - yet every Mormon I know scarfs the burgers & steaks every chance they get. Selective beliefs.

The answer to that was 'the Mormons I know eat meat?'

 

Ok, do they use steroids? That was more the issue here. Coffee, not even drinking caffeine is more applicable to the claim that there is some larger effort to avoid testing(when again, you can still get tested if you compete or not) to the open ended "time of cold and famine" meat guidelines?

 

 

[pokemonster]

4 hours ago, Caveira said:

Is this what Meyer Shapiro and Dylan palacio were referring to in that interview/tweet at NCAAs this year?

Could be. I'm certainly skeptical. If anything, I think it's more of a blind eye type of thing from the coaches than an organized Russian state sponsored doping program. But once you see your buddy who's normally one rep maxing 235 rep out 315, you start to ask what's up. Get a little sample. Slippery slope. 

[pokemonster]

1 hour ago, scourge165 said:

The answer to that was 'the Mormons I know eat meat?'

 

Ok, do they use steroids? That was more the issue here. Coffee, not even drinking caffeine is more applicable to the claim that there is some larger effort to avoid testing(when again, you can still get tested if you compete or not) to the open ended "time of cold and famine" meat guidelines?

 

 

I think the thing is everyone says steroids but they're not straight up doing tren. You can justify taking testosterone under Mormon law by getting a test that suggests you're not in a peak natural production range. Same with growth hormone. That's literally as simple as eating breakfast or not fasting properly for your test. From then on, you're free to blast with no repurcussions from the lord. God bless. 

[scourge165]

23 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

I think the thing is everyone says steroids but they're not straight up doing tren. You can justify taking testosterone under Mormon law by getting a test that suggests you're not in a peak natural production range. Same with growth hormone. That's literally as simple as eating breakfast or not fasting properly for your test. From then on, you're free to blast with no repurcussions from the lord. God bless. 

I think this entire premise is just...stupid to be honest. 

Brooks is still subject to test. It's not like they only test when you Wrestle anyway. 

I don't know Mormon law's loopholes and I don't think you can just not eat Breakfast and taking your test(in fact, last time I had all my work done, including testosterone, you had to fast for at least 12 hours). 

 

Either way, you stay in the testing pool and if you retire and remove yourself, you have to do so 6 months before you come back. So the premise is entirely flawed. It seems more likely than PSU has this Russian type steroid program...they're just better because they have better Wrestlers. 

 

[Le duke]

Brooks had surgery and had to take time off the mat.


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[Former158]

As much as I would like to see all the stars compete for the benefit of fans---it Seems like the Penn State system is working well---perhaps others should adopt it.

Unless we adopt some financial incentives for winning tournaments, there is no glory in going to something just to wrestle when your body has already endured sometimes 20+ years of competition.

 

[BigRedFan]

1 hour ago, Former158 said:

As much as I would like to see all the stars compete for the benefit of fans---it Seems like the Penn State system is working well---perhaps others should adopt it.

Correlation does not mean causation.

[Wrestleknownothing]

11 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

Correlation does not mean causation.

Sometimes it does

[CHROMEBIRD]

16 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Freestyle wrestlers do not wrestle often. In 12 year Sadulaev has 163 matches and has gone 10 months to 1 year between competitions 4 times.

Is that international competition only? IIRC Khuzin suggested at one point that Russian wrestlers get in more reps than we see reported from the UWW and Russian Nationals, with regional and club competitions and such. Dunno if it's still that way though with the war and transfers and what not.

[Wrestleknownothing]

2 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Is that international competition only? IIRC Khuzin suggested at one point that Russian wrestlers get in more reps than we see reported from the UWW and Russian Nationals, with regional and club competitions and such. Dunno if it's still that way though with the war and transfers and what not.

Not 100% sure if it is all, but it is a lot more than what UWW lists. That total is from his wikipedia page.

[Coastal]

Brooks did have recent surgery and not competing does not exempt an individual from WADA/USADA testing.  Brooks still has to submit whereabouts...

 

 

[flyingcement]

6 hours ago, Le duke said:

Brooks had surgery and had to take time off the mat.


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This makes sense then.  He's recovering from a surgery.  

[Hammerlock3]

20 hours ago, flyingcement said:

Out the entire year for bulk up? seems weird.  any other reasons why someone would sit out a full year?  hidden injury?  Anything else?

yeah who said this? 

Edited Sunday at 09:14 PM by Hammerlock3

[Truzzcat]

I do not think wrestling monthly is necessarily beneficial, but I also do not think only wrestling trials and worlds is beneficial. Russia generally at least sends their best guys to Euros and then they wrestle Russian Nat's. It feels like one big competition per quarter at least for younger athletes is a good medium ground. Brooks for instance seems like someone who would benefit to more international exposure. As a fan of the sport, I would like guys to compete all the time I think NLWC may be a bit extreme with their lack of competition but it's also athlete dependent Dake and DT never competed outside of when they had to whereas Snyder competes a lot. They also for the most part have a much older team and guys like Zain and Gillman were probably limited in how much they could compete because making weight sucked for them and doing so more than they had to just did not make a ton of sense.

[Gantry]

3 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

Dake and DT never competed outside of when they had to

Disagree here, Dake and especially Taylor used to attend all sorts of events they didn't have to.  As DT got older he competed less but was pretty active for a good chunk of his career.  Lest we forget the Spanish Grand Prix jokes?