Sasso's shooter has been sentenced.

[Animal197]

I consider myself an educated person, but not in criminal law. Before this thread I honestly never really understood why time was taken off of sentences for good behavior. It does make more sense to me now as an incentive to maintain order in prison. Thank you for pointing that out the way that you did.

[pokemonster]

On 4/10/2025 at 1:15 PM, Idaho said:

Before sentencing, Lee's father said that his son is not a bad person.

"Elijah loves people. Everybody knows Elijah and he's not a bad person. I know a lot of parents go forth and say that about their kids," the father said. "I really don't feel he should go to prison."

Hmmmm.... 

This part was even worse... wtf is he even talking about? His son never had a gun? Students and athletes have an arrogancy on campus? Apple doesn't fall far from the tree it seems. 

 https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/courts/2025/04/10/ohio-state-wrestler-sammy-sasso-teen-carjacking-sentencing-olympics/82989712007/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJmU3pleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHsA-zT4PxQfl0sUspGAxFMDQkJnebkeUv0wNqJKym2cL5eOjCsTahmPyLtRl_aem_xT1JX-a0Q_HDJWvrQzX22w

Cecil Brown, who identified himself as Lee's father, also spoke on Lee's behalf, saying he was willing to do his son's prison time for him.

"He’s not a bad person. I know a lot of parents say that about their kids," Brown said. "Students, athletes, there’s an arrogancy on campus that’s happening as I speak. Elijah never had a gun. The worst Elijah would do is being caught with a stolen car."

[AgaveMaria]

4 hours ago, WrestlingRash said:

Christian values like protecting society from monsters? Florida is moving in the right direction, with the death penalty for pedophiles. That probably bothers you too? Stop bringing God Emperor into your arguments. Its pathetic. 

Yep, the Jesus solution. Millstone around the neck and drop the child molester in the sea.

Most protect abusers because so many of them live with this scum, live next door to them and work with them - yet never, ever lift a hand to protect the kids.

As for "political" - the topic itself raises the subject.

Sammy is the victim of this criminal and no matter the punishment will never, ever be made whole again. So, what is "just punishment"? Go after the legal establishment that did not lock this scrote up when he was in trouble before?

[ClawRidesAgain]

Sammy Sasso is a class act.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

4 hours ago, pokemonster said:

This part was even worse... wtf is he even talking about? His son never had a gun? Students and athletes have an arrogancy on campus? Apple doesn't fall far from the tree it seems. 

 https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/courts/2025/04/10/ohio-state-wrestler-sammy-sasso-teen-carjacking-sentencing-olympics/82989712007/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJmU3pleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHsA-zT4PxQfl0sUspGAxFMDQkJnebkeUv0wNqJKym2cL5eOjCsTahmPyLtRl_aem_xT1JX-a0Q_HDJWvrQzX22w

Cecil Brown, who identified himself as Lee's father, also spoke on Lee's behalf, saying he was willing to do his son's prison time for him.

"He’s not a bad person. I know a lot of parents say that about their kids," Brown said. "Students, athletes, there’s an arrogancy on campus that’s happening as I speak. Elijah never had a gun. The worst Elijah would do is being caught with a stolen car."

If he never had  gun how was the shooter?  "Arrogancy"?  Is the dad actually trying to blame Sasso's "arrogancy" for him getting shot?

[The Kid]

13 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

If he never had  gun how was the shooter?  "Arrogancy"?  Is the dad actually trying to blame Sasso's "arrogancy" for him getting shot?

...the father stated something like : the worst my son could do is steal a car.

Wow.  

[ionel]

13 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

If he never had  gun how was the shooter?  "Arrogancy"?  Is the dad actually trying to blame Sasso's "arrogancy" for him getting shot?

 

5 minutes ago, The Kid said:

...the father stated something like : the worst my son could do is steal a car.

Wow.  

The kid plead guilty correct so admitting he had a gun and pulled the trigger? 

Listening to video amazing Sammy could wrestle as well as he did.  He was competitive just not for an AA spot.  

[scourge165]

On 4/10/2025 at 11:44 AM, WrestlingRash said:

this kind of scum is irredeemable. he won't ever get out of prison. he will get wrapped up in the gang stuff inside, catch more charges or be killed. too bad people are so soft in regards to the death penalty. 

This is a 16 year old kid that Sammy Sasso himself, the man harmed by this has forgiven.

And there's nothing "soft" about being against the death penalty. 

3 reasons

-They started doing DNA testing on inmates who'd been sentenced to death in the 80s and 90s in Texas. They stopped after about 300 as they found in at least 10% of the cases, they'd found evidence to exonerate the person put to death and in others, information that wasn't known. 

Later on, but also in Texas, a man named Claude Jones was put to death. George Bush Jr refused a 30 day stay so they could get the test results back on the hair, a single strand of hair that connected him to the murder. 
The DNA came back. It was not him. He was exonerated...but dead.
They then took a look at ANOTHER 400 cases. 41 had DNA evidence exonerating them, many of the time evidence including DNA that could have exonerated them were just ignored. 21 cases in Dallas alone, but 41 in Texas(again, out of 400, so ~10%). 

-Look at the Church Shooting with Dylan Roof. Remember that? He went in, they prayed with him, they brought him food, they listened to him...and I believe he came back a couple times. Obviously the last time, he executed them. Left one women scared to death, she was going to die. He left her to tell people what happened. 

Quote

Although my grandfather and the other victims died at the hands of hate, this is proof—everyone's plea for your soul is proof they lived in love and their legacies will live in love, so hate won't win."

-The Amish school shooting in Pennsylvania. I think there were 10 kids shot, 6 girls, babies dead. 

What did the Amish do? They went the home of the shooter, they prayed for him, they brought food to the Mother and they helped raise money for her(I don't know why they did the latter, but it's not the point). 

They forgave. 

 

Now...if you hurt my family, I am not a big enough Man to do what Sammy did(though it wasn't his family hurt, it was him) but certainly I can respect what he did.

 

This is a 16-year-old-kid. He may end up never coming out of it. 

He also has a chance to get out by 22 or 24(I don't know what the truth in sentencing laws are in Ohio) but...man, I carry around anger. 

 

 

AT the end of the day, ALL you are is the DASH between two numbers and how people remember you. I wish I could be more like those people and try and forgive. Maybe you know Sammy and it's more difficult for you. I don't know.

 

I just know if Sammy Sasso can do that for a 16-year-old-kid, then I can as well....and I hope that kid gets his GED and I hope he can come back and work with the kids like him as so many before him have done so. 

I certainly don't want to live in a world where you just write off a 16-year-old kid and effectively say, his dash is complete. Maybe it will be...but that's still up to him. Perhaps Sammy made that easier for him today.

 

Either way, I'm pretty sure Sammy is better off not hold that type of hate....justified though it may be. 

[scourge165]

On 4/11/2025 at 6:41 AM, AgaveMaria said:

 

Yep, "Christian Values"..., right?

So many for the death penalty are anti-abortion.

Those who commit crimes should be jailed every time? Donald Trump, anyone? He was convicted of more felonies than Al Capone and Bernie Madoff combined.

I feel like you could have made this point without mentioning Madoff, Trump, Capone, anyone political and simply appealing to the values that many Christians hold with regard to forgiveness. 

 

I'll always be against the death penalty if there ANY doubt. Not just reasonable, one shred. I mean, if they find you hurting a kid or MY kid, I'm all for you going into the wood-chipper feet first, having tourniquet tied on then...smelling salts so they wake up(as they're likely out from the shock at this point. At which point, I'd cauterize the wounds, wake them up, start the wood chipper again with them suspended just above it but to the point where it's vibrating enough that it's hurting the not missing limbs and where that wound it. 

And then an inch at a time and so on and so forth.

 

---But again, I haven't pretended that I'm a big person. I just...aspire to be. 

 

If you're religious;

Quote

Matthew 6:14-15 (NIV)
“For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.”

So... I guess if you don't forgive...you're not better in the eyes of the lord.

[scourge165]

On 4/11/2025 at 3:00 PM, pokemonster said:

This part was even worse... wtf is he even talking about? His son never had a gun? Students and athletes have an arrogancy on campus? Apple doesn't fall far from the tree it seems. 

 https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/courts/2025/04/10/ohio-state-wrestler-sammy-sasso-teen-carjacking-sentencing-olympics/82989712007/?fbclid=IwY2xjawJmU3pleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHsA-zT4PxQfl0sUspGAxFMDQkJnebkeUv0wNqJKym2cL5eOjCsTahmPyLtRl_aem_xT1JX-a0Q_HDJWvrQzX22w

Cecil Brown, who identified himself as Lee's father, also spoke on Lee's behalf, saying he was willing to do his son's prison time for him.

"He’s not a bad person. I know a lot of parents say that about their kids," Brown said. "Students, athletes, there’s an arrogancy on campus that’s happening as I speak. Elijah never had a gun. The worst Elijah would do is being caught with a stolen car."

 

He's a Father trying to advocate for his child...but that was the worst possible way he could have done it. I would not be surprised if Sasso was aarogant and many athletes 18 to 22(well, now ~29-30) in College are a bit arrogant. That's part of the reason they're so good.

I wonder if Dad was around(the different last name suggests he wasn't and...that as much as anything probably contributed to this). What I WOULDN'T say...either in private because it's asinine or in public...well, I guess still because it's asinine, is that any of this falls at the feet of the victim for their arrogance. That's...insane. 

[jross]

Forgiveness means letting go of resentment and letting go of that want for revenge.  It does not forgoe consequences.  Mathew does not abolish the law.  

[WrestlingRash]

13 hours ago, scourge165 said:

This is a 16 year old kid that Sammy Sasso himself, the man harmed by this has forgiven.

And there's nothing "soft" about being against the death penalty. 

3 reasons

-They started doing DNA testing on inmates who'd been sentenced to death in the 80s and 90s in Texas. They stopped after about 300 as they found in at least 10% of the cases, they'd found evidence to exonerate the person put to death and in others, information that wasn't known. 

Later on, but also in Texas, a man named Claude Jones was put to death. George Bush Jr refused a 30 day stay so they could get the test results back on the hair, a single strand of hair that connected him to the murder. 
The DNA came back. It was not him. He was exonerated...but dead.
They then took a look at ANOTHER 400 cases. 41 had DNA evidence exonerating them, many of the time evidence including DNA that could have exonerated them were just ignored. 21 cases in Dallas alone, but 41 in Texas(again, out of 400, so ~10%). 

-Look at the Church Shooting with Dylan Roof. Remember that? He went in, they prayed with him, they brought him food, they listened to him...and I believe he came back a couple times. Obviously the last time, he executed them. Left one women scared to death, she was going to die. He left her to tell people what happened. 

-The Amish school shooting in Pennsylvania. I think there were 10 kids shot, 6 girls, babies dead. 

What did the Amish do? They went the home of the shooter, they prayed for him, they brought food to the Mother and they helped raise money for her(I don't know why they did the latter, but it's not the point). 

They forgave. 

 

Now...if you hurt my family, I am not a big enough Man to do what Sammy did(though it wasn't his family hurt, it was him) but certainly I can respect what he did.

 

This is a 16-year-old-kid. He may end up never coming out of it. 

He also has a chance to get out by 22 or 24(I don't know what the truth in sentencing laws are in Ohio) but...man, I carry around anger. 

 

 

AT the end of the day, ALL you are is the DASH between two numbers and how people remember you. I wish I could be more like those people and try and forgive. Maybe you know Sammy and it's more difficult for you. I don't know.

 

I just know if Sammy Sasso can do that for a 16-year-old-kid, then I can as well....and I hope that kid gets his GED and I hope he can come back and work with the kids like him as so many before him have done so. 

I certainly don't want to live in a world where you just write off a 16-year-old kid and effectively say, his dash is complete. Maybe it will be...but that's still up to him. Perhaps Sammy made that easier for him today.

 

Either way, I'm pretty sure Sammy is better off not hold that type of hate....justified though it may be. 

TLDR

[scourge165]

13 hours ago, jross said:

Forgiveness means letting go of resentment and letting go of that want for revenge.  It does not forgoe consequences.  Mathew does not abolish the law.  

Did...literally anyone suggest it would "abolish the law?"

[scourge165]

4 hours ago, WrestlingRash said:

TLDR

Ignorance is always easier. 

[jross]

8 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Did...literally anyone suggest it would "abolish the law?"

No one said ‘abolish the law.’ With the focus on Christian forgiveness, I’m reinforcing that the Bible supports the  state’s role to bear the sword and wrong doers should fear their punishment.

[scourge165]

37 minutes ago, jross said:

No one said ‘abolish the law.’ With the focus on Christian forgiveness, I’m reinforcing that the Bible supports the  state’s role to bear the sword and wrong doers should fear their punishment.

So no one said 'abolish the law,' you just...felt the need to make that point?"

 

23 hours ago, jross said:

Mathew does not abolish the law.

...just to remind people of the obvious?

Hmmkay.

[nhs67]

14 hours ago, WrestlingRash said:

TLDR

To summarize relevant stuffs, he said 'If Sammy can forgive the kid, I guess I can too.'

[WrestlingRash]

2 hours ago, nhs67 said:

To summarize relevant stuffs, he said 'If Sammy can forgive the kid, I guess I can too.'

fair enough. but forgiveness doesn't mean the person should be allowed to exist in society again. 

[WrestlingRash]

3 hours ago, jross said:

No one said ‘abolish the law.’ With the focus on Christian forgiveness, I’m reinforcing that the Bible supports the  state’s role to bear the sword and wrong doers should fear their punishment.

great point that atheists and the unread don't know. 

[enterdisplayname]

2 minutes ago, WrestlingRash said:

great point that atheists and the unread don't know. 

cHecKMaTE AtHIeSts

[flyingcement]

I feel like Sasso would be an excellent coaching hire for someone.  

[AgaveMaria]

Yep..., Christian Forgiveness?

Is you concept of God that he is "Christian"?

Or just a mean old bastard who was so pissed off at his creation that he drowned all of them but Noah & his closest relatives & friends?

Sure sounds "forgiving" to me.

 

[scourge165]

15 hours ago, nhs67 said:

To summarize relevant stuffs, he said 'If Sammy can forgive the kid, I guess I can too.'

Kinda. It was more that I don't believe we should talk about executing a 16-year-old kid or write him off for the rest of his life.

And that...Sasso is a bigger person than I'd be to forgive him. 

[scourge165]

13 hours ago, WrestlingRash said:

fair enough. but forgiveness doesn't mean the person should be allowed to exist in society again. 

Good thing you don't make the laws.

[WrestlingRash]

1 hour ago, scourge165 said:

Good thing you don't make the laws.

so you think murderer can be rehabilitated? interesting take.