Zack Ryder to OSU

[Gus]

2 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

Using a gym term but I don't think they do "junk volume". Seems like they are very efficient in the work they do.

Sounds like they wrestle a ton, bike a lot and work the versa climber. 

[bnwtwg]

22 hours ago, Gus said:

Sounds like they wrestle a ton, bike a lot and work the versa climber. 

Don't forget the dodgeball cardio

[Michael Moran]

To me best OSU lineup puts Lockett at 157 and Ryder at 174.

Ryder wrestled 184 last year but was clearly small, announcers even said 174 was his best weight (but at PSU Haines was in the way. 174 looks to be easier weight class than 184, so to me makes sense he goes there.

Lockett wrestled 163 at US Open.  Can he wrestle 157?  157 also  looks to be a much easier weight class than 165. Lets Facundo go at 165 and Thompson at 184.

[ionel]

6 minutes ago, Michael Moran said:

To me best OSU lineup puts Lockett at 157 and Ryder at 174.

Ryder wrestled 184 last year but was clearly small, announcers even said 174 was his best weight (but at PSU Haines was in the way. 174 looks to be easier weight class than 184, so to me makes sense he goes there.

Lockett wrestled 163 at US Open.  Can he wrestle 157?  157 also  looks to be a much easier weight class than 165. Lets Facundo go at 165 and Thompson at 184.

A simple plan.  

[flyingcement]

125: Troy Spratley
133: Richie Figueroa
141: Tagen Jamison / Casey Swiderski / Cael Hughes
149: Casey Swiderski / Tagen Jamison / Teague Travis
157: Ladarion Lockett / Teague Travis / Casey Swiderski / Tagen Jamison
165: Alex Facundo / Ladarion Lockett
174: Zack Ryder / Alex Facundo
184: Brayden Thompson / Zach Ryder
197: Cody Merrill / Brayden Thompson
285: Konner Doucet / Cody Merrill

So that plan would basically move Cael Hughes to the bench in favor of adding Brayden Thompson to the lineup - with everyone in between bumping down.

[ionel]

I'd throw Sakamoto in there as 125/133 backup/option.  I'd guess Hughes is on the bench regardless of how you juggle it. I also don't see a world in which Merrill is at 285 but report out of HS he likes to eat and I've been wrong before.  National Duals will be fun cause you will  see several of the 2nd or 3rd options on the mat.  

Edited yesterday at 01:06 AM by ionel

[Mr. PeanutButter]

2 hours ago, flyingcement said:

125: Troy Spratley
133: Richie Figueroa
141: Tagen Jamison / Casey Swiderski / Cael Hughes
149: Casey Swiderski / Tagen Jamison / Teague Travis
157: Ladarion Lockett / Teague Travis / Casey Swiderski / Tagen Jamison
165: Alex Facundo / Ladarion Lockett
174: Zack Ryder / Alex Facundo
184: Brayden Thompson / Zach Ryder
197: Cody Merrill / Brayden Thompson
285: Konner Doucet / Cody Merrill

So that plan would basically move Cael Hughes to the bench in favor of adding Brayden Thompson to the lineup - with everyone in between bumping down.

Wow. What a loaded skwad

[BruceyB]

4 hours ago, ionel said:

I'd throw Sakamoto in there as 125/133 backup/option.  I'd guess Hughes is on the bench regardless of how you juggle it. I also don't see a world in which Merrill is at 285 but report out of HS he likes to eat and I've been wrong before.  National Duals will be fun cause you will  see several of the 2nd or 3rd options on the mat.  

I'm curious about the way the weights shake out. I wonder if part of the equation (outside of guys being able to make the weights) comes down to the coaching staffs confidence in Cael Hughes vs Brayden Thompson. It would make sense to shift guys up or down based on the confidence they have in either guy. 

If Hughes is the guy..

125: Spratley/Sakamoto

133: Figs/Sakamoto

141: Hughes

149: Swiderski

157: Jamison

165: Lockett

174: Facundo

184: Ryder

197: Merrill

285: Doucet

If Thompson is the guy..

125: Spratley/Sakamoto

133: Figs/Sakamoto

141: Jamison/Swiderski

149: Jamison/Swiderski

157: Lockett/Robideau

165: Lockett/Facundo

174: Ryder

184: Thompson

197: Merrill

285: Doucet

[juniorvarsity]

Is Ryder U20 eligible. Will he be at trials?

[okokzach]

1 hour ago, juniorvarsity said:

Is Ryder U20 eligible. Will he be at trials?

I think he has two years of eligibility left 

[Michael Moran]

I have heard Hughes is hurt.  So not sure he is in mix for spot in lineup this year.

[scourge165]

15 hours ago, Michael Moran said:

To me best OSU lineup puts Lockett at 157 and Ryder at 174.

Ryder wrestled 184 last year but was clearly small, announcers even said 174 was his best weight (but at PSU Haines was in the way. 174 looks to be easier weight class than 184, so to me makes sense he goes there.

Lockett wrestled 163 at US Open.  Can he wrestle 157?  157 also  looks to be a much easier weight class than 165. Lets Facundo go at 165 and Thompson at 184.

What announcers even said 174 was his best weight last year? During...the U20s last year or when?

Also...if the goal was just to have everyone cut down another weight, why go with David Taylor? Just keep Smith around...

He looked plenty big for 184 and that was...again, last year. He handled Arnold, didn't get up any strength and was taller. 

Looks like a pretty healthy '84. And I'm going to assume he's been lifting and getting stronger. Wasn't he listed as a 84/97 coming in? 

I know he was Wrestling 182 3 years ago...so 174 seems like an aggressive cut for an entire season. Going there for a weekend or to make a world team is one thing, but doing it consistently seems...like a very bad idea. 

 

[CHROMEBIRD]

5 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

What announcers even said 174 was his best weight last year? During...the U20s last year or when?

Also...if the goal was just to have everyone cut down another weight, why go with David Taylor? Just keep Smith around...

He looked plenty big for 184 and that was...again, last year. He handled Arnold, didn't get up any strength and was taller. 

Looks like a pretty healthy '84. And I'm going to assume he's been lifting and getting stronger. Wasn't he listed as a 84/97 coming in? 

I know he was Wrestling 182 3 years ago...so 174 seems like an aggressive cut for an entire season. Going there for a weekend or to make a world team is one thing, but doing it consistently seems...like a very bad idea. 

 

Yeah, I don't see it happening either, esp since Ryder's plan was to grow into a fullsized 184 even though I'd like to see him wrestle Haines at 174. My head will explode if he goes 174 and ends up getting squeezed out of the lineup by a PSU transfer.

[scourge165]

4 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Yeah, I don't see it happening either, esp since Ryder's plan was to grow into a fullsized 184 even though I'd like to see him wrestle Haines at 174. My head will explode if he goes 174 and ends up getting squeezed out of the lineup by a PSU transfer.

With Facundo Wrestling '57 last year and you making that comment, my brain glitched a moment and I thought you were talking about Haines being the PSU transfer to beat him out. 

But yeah...that would be amusing. I think it's unlikely. 

'84 is going to be a helluva weight next year though...and if Ryder could cut down and do so in a healthy way, that would probably be the easiest route to a title. But I really doubt he can. 

[Michael Moran]

"What announcers even said 174 was his best weight last year? During...the U20s last year or when?

Also...if the goal was just to have everyone cut down another weight, why go with David Taylor?"

 

When I watched a replay of him in finals of  Southern Scuffle announcers said something like his best weight would be 174.

In finals of Souther Scuffle wrestled guy from Northern Colorado, who used to be at OSU and wrestled for Edmond North.

To my eyes, guy from Northern Colorado looked bigger than Ryder.

At 174 PSU has Haines, so hole in PSU's lineup was at 184.  With Okie St, the hole is 174.

Look everyone else says Ryder is going 184, so I will be first to admit I am likely wrong

.

 

[juniorvarsity]

Is Tagen Jamison staying at 141? What's gonna happen between Vega, Jamison, Swiderski?

[BruceyB]

18 hours ago, juniorvarsity said:

Is Tagen Jamison staying at 141? What's gonna happen between Vega, Jamison, Swiderski?

Nobody actually knows, but I think it's almost a certainty that Vega redshirts this year unless Jamison is going up and Hughes isn't going to be able to compete this season (heard it from someone on here that Hughes is currently hurt).

[Truzzcat]

this seems to be the oklahoma state thread so

Jax wins senior gold outscores opponents 30-0 beat former d1 guys Josh Kramer and Joey silva. Silva lost to suriano 3-2 at Pan am's last year I thought Jax looked really good.

Lockett also won by tech in the finals over an olympian from last year. Was having a sort of tough match in his semi with a cuban until the guy tombstoned him and got dq'd.

Zahid won easily as he should.