Jimmy Cinnabon Posted March 26 Posted March 26 Long tagged as an underperformer Patrick finished 4th at 174 this year - wrestling well above seed. I think he has earned the starting spot next year as Iowa's 174 pounder. However, with Gabe Arnold also tabbed for this weight and Angelo Ferrari manning 184 how does this play out? Could Kennedy or Arnold drop to 165?
Wildcat92 Posted March 26 Posted March 26 Pretty sure you have to earn it every year. If Arnold beats him, then 174 should be his.
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted March 26 Author Posted March 26 (edited) So where does Kennedy go? I can't see him content to ride the pine after finishing 4th in the country. Edited March 26 by Jimmy Cinnabon
BarSeries Posted March 26 Posted March 26 17 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: So where does Kennedy go? Nelson Brands apartment to play Fortnite
headshuck Posted March 26 Posted March 26 Caliendo looks like he could be a 174. With less muscle mass, could Arnold make 165?
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted March 26 Author Posted March 26 2 minutes ago, headshuck said: Caliendo looks like he could be a 174. With less muscle mass, could Arnold make 165? Iowa posters say Caliendo is actually a small 165 pounder and could make 157. Not sure how that's possible when Caliendo is pretty tall and built like Adonis.
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted March 26 Author Posted March 26 Caliendo 157 Kennedy 165 Arnold 174 Ferrari 184 Ferrari 197 Keuter HWT That is a back half that could rival/beat Penn State.
One8alpha Posted March 26 Posted March 26 6 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Caliendo 157 Kennedy 165 Arnold 174 Ferrari 184 Ferrari 197 Keuter HWT That is a back half that could rival/beat Penn State. Iowa would be lucky to win 2/5 out of the back half with that line up against Penn state
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted March 26 Author Posted March 26 (edited) 3 minutes ago, One8alpha said: Iowa would be lucky to win 2/5 out of the back half with that line up against Penn state Iowa would win 4 out of 6 actually. Caliendo > Kasak Mesenbrink > Kennedy Haines > Arnold Ferrari > Ryder Ferrari > Barr Keuter > Mirasola Edited March 26 by Jimmy Cinnabon
Rassling2 Posted March 26 Posted March 26 12 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Iowa posters say Caliendo is actually a small 165 pounder and could make 157. Not sure how that's possible when Caliendo is pretty tall and built like Adonis. After his incredible performance at the tournament by Caliendo he deserves what ever weight he’s most comfortable at next season. 1
NormMacDonald Posted March 26 Posted March 26 18 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Caliendo 157 Kennedy 165 Arnold 174 Ferrari 184 Ferrari 197 Keuter HWT That is a back half that could rival/beat Penn State. AJ is going to be Penn States heavyweight next year.
PortaJohn Posted March 26 Posted March 26 1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Iowa would win 4 out of 6 actually. Caliendo > Kasak Mesenbrink > Kennedy Haines > Arnold Ferrari > Ryder Ferrari > Barr Keuter > Mirasola I'm pretty sure @ionel wants to bet you that AJ Ferrari isn't getting accepted to Iowa. Being that you're such an insider on this and incessantly claim he's going to Iowa you should take the bet I Don't Agree With What I Posted
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted March 26 Author Posted March 26 8 minutes ago, Perry said: Caliendo is going to be wrestling in orange next year He’s from Illinois, right?
BAC Posted March 26 Posted March 26 I'm no Iowa insider, but I'd think Kennedy goes 174 again while either Ferrari or Arnold bumps up to 197, which is pretty much vacant. My guess is Arnold goes up as I doubt he beats Ferrari, but I'd far prefer to see Ferrari go 197, as he has a better frame for it (Arnold's 5'7") and, selfishly, I'd love to see him wrestle AJ at NCAAs. It'll take some time to beef up though. If Iowa's smart, they're pushing these guys to figure it out with each other this offseason, or the loser of the 184lb wrestleoff next year will be undersized all season at 197. Although knowing Iowa, they'll probably just call up Nichols to pay some $$ to bring in a ringer at 197, and run Arnold out of Iowa City.
PortaJohn Posted March 26 Posted March 26 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BAC said: I'm no Iowa insider, but I'd think Kennedy goes 174 again while either Ferrari or Arnold bumps up to 197, which is pretty much vacant. My guess is Arnold goes up as I doubt he beats Ferrari, but I'd far prefer to see Ferrari go 197, as he has a better frame for it (Arnold's 5'7") and, selfishly, I'd love to see him wrestle AJ at NCAAs. It'll take some time to beef up though. If Iowa's smart, they're pushing these guys to figure it out with each other this offseason, or the loser of the 184lb wrestleoff next year will be undersized all season at 197. Although knowing Iowa, they'll probably just call up Nichols to pay some $$ to bring in a ringer at 197, and run Arnold out of Iowa City. I think it would make more sense for Gabe to transfer at that point rather than go up to 197. Gabe has found himself in an interesting situation. I don't know why so many just assume he's better than Kennedy. I think a lot of Arnold's issues this year to generate offense was more than just the size disadvantage. We see it a lot with particular wrestlers who could overpower their opponents in high school and then move up to the college level and plateau. His defense is still elite but he has a long way to go on the offensive side Edited March 26 by PortaJohn I Don't Agree With What I Posted
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted March 26 Author Posted March 26 5 minutes ago, BAC said: I'm no Iowa insider, but I'd think Kennedy goes 174 again while either Ferrari or Arnold bumps up to 197, which is pretty much vacant. My guess is Arnold goes up as I doubt he beats Ferrari, but I'd far prefer to see Ferrari go 197, as he has a better frame for it (Arnold's 5'7") and, selfishly, I'd love to see him wrestle AJ at NCAAs. It'll take some time to beef up though. If Iowa's smart, they're pushing these guys to figure it out with each other this offseason, or the loser of the 184lb wrestleoff next year will be undersized all season at 197. Although knowing Iowa, they'll probably just call up Nichols to pay some $$ to bring in a ringer at 197, and run Arnold out of Iowa City. Arnold at 197? He said he's too small/short for 184 as it is. Dude is 5'6.
BAC Posted March 26 Posted March 26 14 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Arnold at 197? He said he's too small/short for 184 as it is. Dude is 5'6. I'm not saying it's a good idea, I'm saying it may be the only idea. Who does Iowa have at 197 who'd beat out Arnold? If you're Arnold, and you know you can't beat Ferrari or Kennedy, do you ride the pine at 165/174 or taking the starting gig at 197? If you're Brands, do you manage 174/184/197 among Kennedy/Ferrari/Arnold in a way that you've got someone at each weight, or do you just leave a big gaping hole at 197 while one of your best guys sits? (Assuming he doesn't poach someone or get a portal guy, which I'm sure he's trying to do and is the most likely scenario here.) If I'm Brands, I keep Kennedy at 174 and nudge Angelo to go 197 for the team. AJ claims the only one who can take him down is Angelo, so I'm sure Angelo would do fine, especially if he has a year to bulk up. Worked out fine for Barr, who was 184 until he found out just before the season was starting that Carter was going to be there, so he bought himself a big slab of Kasak beef and, presto, NCAA finalist at 197. But if Brands lets them wrestle off, I see 197 as the most likely landing spot for Arnold unless he likes riding the pine.
VakAttack Posted March 26 Posted March 26 My guess is that Arnold ends up at 174 and starting. I'm happy for PK and glad he got as high as he did, but look at who he beat to get there. His win over Devos is PROBABLY his best win of his career, and at this point, I think Iowa should try to trend younger with an ascending curve. You are a voice of reason. - @Paul158
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted March 26 Author Posted March 26 3 minutes ago, VakAttack said: My guess is that Arnold ends up at 174 and starting. I'm happy for PK and glad he got as high as he did, but look at who he beat to get there. His win over Devos is PROBABLY his best win of his career, and at this point, I think Iowa should try to trend younger with an ascending curve. So no room at the inn for Kennedy? Will they let a 4th place finisher walk?
BruceyB Posted March 26 Posted March 26 54 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: We see it a lot with particular wrestlers who could overpower their opponents in high school and then move up to the college level and plateau. His defense is still elite but he has a long way to go on the offensive side I envision the Cam Amine / Bartlett excitement for years to come from young Gabe. He'll never meet a 1 TD match he doesn't like. 1
1032004 Posted March 26 Posted March 26 Angelo going to 197 may not be the worst idea for himself if he’s big enough. Several of the top guys graduate, and it may be tougher to beat McEnelly than Barr.
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