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Posted
1 minute ago, ionel said:

All you have is somebody saying they heard someone say something.  There were two wrestlers, who did what when? 

I don't think that a wrestling correspondent that talked directly to 5 coaches who saw directly what happened, then reported what he was told from those coaches is the same as "somebody saying they heard someone say something. at t" But like I said, you can believe those 5 coaches and Dresser are lying and there was no controversy. At the end of the day they wrestled and you got what you wanted for your boys. Right?

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Posted
1 minute ago, Idaho said:

I would consider a wrestling correspondent that actually talked directly to 5 coaches who were there at weigh ins and Dresser who coaches there to be valid sources. You can believe that everyone is lying if you would like. 

Dresser was not there. Who knows if the "5 coaches" were there in the room or not. Harrison's tweets were in the morning of day one. His more recent statement was on the broadcast the second day of the tournament and he said that coaches were giving him their opinions

You know who was there? Big 12 officials. They additionally reviewed security footage. They also conferred with the NCAA to make a ruling. 

We don't have many facts from this, but we do know that the proper officials had all the facts and they made an impartial ruling.

Posted
1 minute ago, Idaho said:

 But like I said, you can believe those 5 coaches and Dresser are lying and there was no controversy. 

Dresser really doesn't say anything and we don't know what the 5 said.

 

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Posted
14 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

I was once the subject of a VEWL weight-gate in which I showed up 2 minutes late for the weigh in.  Stepped onto the scale with my boots and winter jacket, still made the weight by over a pound.  All the coaches in VEWL voted on whether or not I could wrestle - it went one vote against me participating.  The weight in question was 48 pounds lol

 

Also as others shave mentioned, by the time you're cutting a lot of weight in middle school, you're usually weighing in naked to save the extra couple ounces.  I was unaware that there was an underwear requirement

Sickos were filming weigh-ins and posting online

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Posted
1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Bikes are so comfortable to sit on!

They actually are. I run a kids club out of the HS wrestling room and I can't keep them off the damned bikes.

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Posted
16 minutes ago, okokzach said:

Dresser was not there. Who knows if the "5 coaches" were there in the room or not. Harrison's tweets were in the morning of day one. His more recent statement was on the broadcast the second day of the tournament and he said that coaches were giving him their opinions

You know who was there? Big 12 officials. They additionally reviewed security footage. They also conferred with the NCAA to make a ruling. 

We don't have many facts from this, but we do know that the proper officials had all the facts and they made an impartial ruling.

Dresser is also one of the most colossal s**t-talkers of our generation (and I like that about him). Everything he says needs to be taken with many grains of salt.

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Posted
6 hours ago, okokzach said:

 

Do you take the same stance when a cop gives you a ticket for failure to use your turn signal on a right-hand turn at a four-way stop? Not all rules are equally as important. There's also the spirit and intent of the law vs a legalistic reading of the law. The "rules is rules" crowd are a bunch of smooth-brained babies 

Red herring much? 

Posted
5 hours ago, okokzach said:

They weighted in on time. Not extra time. Their opponents had the exact same time to recover. Not extra time. If anything it was a disadvantage, because their second-round opponent had more time to recover from their first round match.

i don't particularly care about how strictly they hew to the rules and don't care that the guys were allowed to wrestle. i tend to favor a little wiggle room and grace.

that said, the complaint is not that they weighed in late. the complaint is that they are supposed to arrive at 7:45 to check in for an 8:00 weigh-in. If they weren't there at 7:45 because they were exercising,* then even if they weighed in with their peers, they used more time to cut. That's the controversy. Feel free to dismiss it but at least meet the actual allegation head-on.

*allegedly! i don't care! 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, ugarles said:

i don't particularly care about how strictly they hew to the rules and don't care that the guys were allowed to wrestle. i tend to favor a little wiggle room and grace.

that said, the complaint is not that they weighed in late. the complaint is that they are supposed to arrive at 7:45 to check in for an 8:00 weigh-in. If they weren't there at 7:45 because they were exercising,* then even if they weighed in with their peers, they used more time to cut. That's the controversy. Feel free to dismiss it but at least meet the actual allegation head-on.

*allegedly! i don't care! 

I was responding to people on here, not to complaints by actual stakeholders with actual knowledge. The closest we've gotten to a stakeholder making a public complaint is Dresser's accusation of "hooey".

We can go on for days with "ifs", but we don't have many facts. What we do know is that Big 12 officials fully investigated the allegations and were equiped with the facts of the matter. They conferred with the NCAA and then made an impartial ruling. 

Posted
4 hours ago, okokzach said:

I was responding to people on here, not to complaints by actual stakeholders with actual knowledge. The closest we've gotten to a stakeholder making a public complaint is Dresser's accusation of "hooey".

We can go on for days with "ifs", but we don't have many facts. What we do know is that Big 12 officials fully investigated the allegations and were equiped with the facts of the matter. They conferred with the NCAA and then made an impartial ruling. 

No, they didn't. 

They bent the rules for your favorite team and you're ok with it. Others aren't. It's that simple.

The Big 12 got this wrong. 

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Posted
22 minutes ago, TylerDurden said:

No, they didn't. 

They bent the rules for your favorite team and you're ok with it. Others aren't. It's that simple.

The Big 12 got this wrong. 

Supposedly a retired coach got involved and threw his weight (all 136.5 lbs of it) around?

Posted
12 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said:

then what is the controversy

one got out of line  after skin check and sat, maybe did something, on a bike. And allegedly one tampered with a waist band. Then matches were delayed until a decision could be made reviewing what they knew

Posted
3 hours ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

one got out of line  after skin check and sat, maybe did something, on a bike. And allegedly one tampered with a waist band. Then matches were delayed until a decision could be made reviewing what they knew

alright more sympathetic to @PortaJohn 's opinion

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