2025 Transfer Portal

[JimmySpeaks]

2 hours ago, BruceyB said:

This is a clown take. I'm sure Welsh was begging to be let on the PSU team for little to no money while David Taylor was at his door step offering him a huge bag to change his mind. 

You would know what it takes to be a clown 

[BruceyB]

4 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

You would know what it takes to be a clown 

Got me. 

[flyingcement]

 

[Idaho]

13 minutes ago, Wrasslin said:

Andre Gonzales . . . now there's a name I haven't heard in a while! TBH, not surprised . . .I wasn't super high on him outta HS- he won a CA state title as a senior @ 113, but besides him, the top 8 were FR/SO (as is the case in HS). He got majored the year before in semis at 106 by none other than Virginia's Jack Gioffre (who played spoiler to Paniro Johnson) at NCAAs, who in the finals got teched by Richie Figgs. Poway is a power program, but he was far from the best they've produced, although I enjoy seeing CA guys do well in college! 

Yeah, he was always really small. He was at 106 all through HS. Had some pretty good wins in HS over Montanona, Romney, Wask, Chappell ... placed at Ironman and was a Fargo double champ. Pretty good HS career. I hope he lands somewhere and finishes his career strong. 

[BAC]

1 hour ago, BruceyB said:

My opinion has been made clear on this topic under different threads. In one sentence, there are no enforced rules in todays transfer/NIL era.. the only dummies are those that pretend that their team is engaging in the activity in a more "morally upright" way than the rest of the programs. Exhibit.. you.

None of us know the finer details going on behind the scenes. It's dumb to attack PSU over their transfers, but it's even dumber to blindly protect them based on the "lack of evidence" for them doing anything wrong.

Justify it however you'd like, but PSU has been much more cutthroat than any other program when it comes to bringing in outsiders over their own current athletes. Only the most woefully naive can convince themselves to believe the sentiment "These wrestler's are begging to come to PSU, what is Cael supposed to do? Say no?"

Just as I thought.  You're incapable of identifying one specific thing I said that you disagree with (or any facts to support it), and are incapable of stating what actually caused Welsh to go to PSU if not what he said (or any facts to support it).  Just smears, hyperbole and ad hominem attacks.

[JimmySpeaks]

2 hours ago, BruceyB said:

Got me. 

Yep. 

[BAC]

1 hour ago, VakAttack said:

That's the thing.  You are calling things facts that are not facts.  They are you interpreting circumstances in the way that is most favorable to your pre-decided position and then calling those interpretations facts.  For example:

Neither of these things are facts, they are opinions.

They are data points.  Some are facts, some are interpretations of facts, but every one is grounded in fact, whereas your accusations are not.  You're just questioning peoples' motives. You rely on Basch but even he corrected his tweet when he realized he jumped the gun.

Your fact/opinion distinction also lacks substance. When I say Ryder and Welsh are comparable wrestlers, is that an opinion?  Sure.  Is it grounded in fact? Yes, based on Ryder's record/wins -- and I'm yet to hear a single person interpret the data differently.  Similarly, is everything Welsh says necessarily factually true?  Don't know, but his saying it is a fact, and there's no one with first-hand knowledge saying otherwise. 

Bottom line is you're simply rejecting all the data and preferring an entirely made-up conclusion, instead -- if I'm reading you correctly -- accusing wrestlers of lying, coaches of cheating and rule-breaking, saying PSU is "just like Lance Armstrong," and so on, all because (so far as I can tell) PSU is your school's rival.

1 hour ago, VakAttack said:

Later you accuse me of being salty about previous accusations against Iowa, but no, I believe Iowa probably did a lot of the things we're talking about here, too.  That's the game now, whether you like it or not, and Penn State is playing it, which you appear to be doing everything in your power to convince yourself they are not.

Depends what "game" you're talking about.  Trying to nab the best talent from the portal?  Absolutely. Donors using NIL funds as a carrot?  Yup.  Coaches contacting wrestlers enrolled at other schools (or directing others to contact them) before the portal window opens, unsolicited, to try to broker a deal for them to transfer to their school?  No.  That's not the "game."  That's a serious recruiting violation, and if caught leads to firings/dismissal, fines, probation, suspension. 

Does it still happen?  With some schools, apparently so.  It sounds like you think Iowa is complicit.  Is that why you're so quick to trot out the "everyone else is doing it too" defense?  I dunno, but just because some are guilty, doesn't mean all of them are. 

To be clear, none of this is about defending PSU.  Were they guilty, or even if there were serious evidence of it, I'd be the first to dogpile on them.  I certainly don't think they operate on some higher ethical plane than everyone else.  But I do think the vast majority of schools try to follow the rules (muddy as they are), including PSU, if only because the consequences of not doing so (and getting caught) are cataclysmic.

But sure. Stick with the "PSU contacted Welsh long ago and convinced him/bribed him to transfer, and now he's lying about it while PSU covers it up" narrative.  Free speech is a wonderful thing, though I think you're wise to maintain that "it's my opinion not a fact" disclaimer when you do it. 

[1032004]

59 minutes ago, BAC said:

Similarly, is everything Welsh says necessarily factually true?  Don't know, but his saying it is a fact, and there's no one with first-hand knowledge saying otherwise. 

 

Saying otherwise about what exactly?  Welsh said he got offered “a lot more” to go to other schools, that doesn’t mean he wasn’t also offered “a lot” to go to PSU, or at the very least more than the minimum that everyone on the team gets.

[MizzouFan01]

[flyingcement]

2 minutes ago, MizzouFan01 said:

Not a bad replacement for Moore for this year.  Moore seems to be more focused and consistent, but Terukina has his moments.  

[CHROMEBIRD]

Looking forward to seeing Ramos coach Terukina up

[Spencerlee]

For having such  a “bad culture” wrestlers seem to not wanna leave Iowa.

[CHROMEBIRD]

3 minutes ago, Spencerlee said:

For having such  a “bad culture” wrestlers seem to not wanna leave Iowa.

You just described a cult, but okay.

[1032004]

14 minutes ago, Spencerlee said:

For having such  a “bad culture” wrestlers seem to not wanna leave Iowa.

Except to go to South Dakota State

[Spencerlee]

8 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Except to go to South Dakota State

Backups in their final year and a guy buried on the depth chart. 

Edited yesterday at 01:26 AM by Spencerlee

[flyingcement]

reading on buckeye forum that the Chittum addition (which felt unnecessary to me IMO prior to Herman and Hepner joining the portal) may be in question.  

[JimmySpeaks]

6 hours ago, Idaho said:

Yeah, he was always really small. He was at 106 all through HS. Had some pretty good wins in HS over Montanona, Romney, Wask, Chappell ... placed at Ironman and was a Fargo double champ. Pretty good HS career. I hope he lands somewhere and finishes his career strong. 

Gott damn my avatar is smokin huh? 

[cl415]

2 hours ago, flyingcement said:

reading on buckeye forum that the Chittum addition (which felt unnecessary to me IMO prior to Herman and Hepner joining the portal) may be in question.  

Wouldn’t be surprised. Doesn’t seem like a good fit for the lineup and there is a couple other teams who make a lot more sense..

[scourge165]

2 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

You just described a cult, but okay.

This...this one made me spit out my water...

 

[BruceyB]

10 hours ago, BAC said:

Just as I thought.  You're incapable of identifying one specific thing I said that you disagree with (or any facts to support it), and are incapable of stating what actually caused Welsh to go to PSU if not what he said (or any facts to support it).  Just smears, hyperbole and ad hominem attacks.

My point is that, to the best of my knowledge, no one on this message board knows what happened between Rocco and the PSU staff. I also don't actually care what happened between the two parties. I don't actually care if coaches are actively poaching athletes in the current landscape of college wrestling. Whether a wrestler is in the portal or not, we are living in an era of no contracts and everyone is a free agent. I understand that "technically" a student has to be in the portal to be talked to, but at this point, there might as well just be an open recruiting process every year.. athletes in the portal or not. 

My issue is people white-knighting for PSU when they don't know any more than the rest of us, but want to act as if lack of evidence is the same as lack of misconduct. I don't know if there was anything below board with the whole ordeal, and I'm not going to argue that there was anything below board.. because I don't know what happened. I'm also not going to argue that they did nothing wrong, because just like you, I don't know if they did anything wrong or not. Just because they haven't been caught doesn't mean they aren't doing anything wrong. How many basketball/football programs were caught years after their misconduct for paying athletes illegally in the last 30 years?

Again, I don't care if they did contact Welsh "illegally." It's just obnoxious when people white-knight for PSU when they have no idea what actually went on behind the scenes.

I do hope that @VakAttack enjoys watching PSU homers squirm to defend their program now that they are the evil empire of wrestling after having to fight the battle for Iowa all these years.

[1032004]

8 hours ago, Spencerlee said:

Backups in their final year and a guy buried on the depth chart. 

Well you said “wrestlers,” not starters.

[Coastal]

10 hours ago, Spencerlee said:

For having such  a “bad culture” wrestlers seem to not wanna leave Iowa.

Why would other schools go dumpster diving when there's a perfectly good grocery store open?

The only young talent Iowa has is Ferrari and most schools don't want to touch that name.

[Spencerlee]

45 minutes ago, Coastal said:

Why would other schools go dumpster diving when there's a perfectly good grocery store open?

The only young talent Iowa has is Ferrari and most schools don't want to touch that name.

Like OSU continually trying to poach Drake and failing every time?

Edited 16 hours ago by Spencerlee

[Idaho]

11 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Gott damn my avatar is smokin huh? 

Nice!! I approve 100%!!!

[MPhillips]

Power Five Schools. Here's where we were in July...

School	2023-24 Roster	Conference
Oregon State	43	Pac 12
Iowa State	41	Big 12
Iowa	40	Big 10
Michigan State	39	Big 10
Missouri	38	SEC/Big 12
Oklahoma State	38	Big 12
Arizona State	37	Big 12
Michigan	37	Big 10
Penn State	37	Big 10
West Virginia	37	Big 12
Nebraska	35	Big 10
Oklahoma	35	SEC/Big 12
Ohio State	34	Big 10
Virginia Tech	34	ACC
Virginia	33	ACC
Indiana	32	Big 10
Maryland	32	Big 10
North Carolina	32	ACC
Pittsburgh	32	ACC
NC State	31	ACC
Purdue	31	Big 10

 

Oregon State is down to 36.  PSU @ 35. Iowa @ 35. OKST @ 42. NEB @ 33. Ohio State @ 27.  

Not counting the guys in the Portal...