What does DEI hiring ultimately mean?

[mspart]

I am asking the board this question.  

What does DEI hiring in the airline pilot world mean?

What does DEI entrance to medical school mean?

What does DEI hiring in the University professor mean?

What does DEI hiring in the NFL players mean?

What does DEI hiring in anything mean?

In my opinion, you would automatically suspect that some folks were hired over those that were more qualified.   Now that might not be true, but the suspicion is there.   Now it could be that women and minorities are better at the job that all other applicants.   Or it could mean that women and minorities are worse that more qualified candidates who didn't make the DEI cut.    This is the problem with DEI.   Do you want a less qualified surgeon working on you?  Do you want a less qualified pilot flying the airplane you are on?   This is why hiring and such should be based on merit.   That way if you have women and minorities in the job, you know they were the best qualified.  You don't have to wonder anymore.  

mspart

[wrestlingguy]

21 minutes ago, mspart said:

I am asking the board this question.  

What does DEI hiring in the airline pilot world mean? Less qualified pilots get priority based on their skin color or sexual preference

What does DEI entrance to medical school mean? Less qualified candidates get admitted to medical school

What does DEI hiring in the University professor mean? You must have a certain percentage of your faculty be some sort of minority whether they are qualified or not

What does DEI hiring in the NFL players mean? This means behind the scenes quotas for the desk jobs since there is no way they are putting less than  the best on the actual playing field. 

What does DEI hiring in anything mean? Meeting quotas of some sort of minority that isn't necessarily the most qualified. It started with Affirmative Action.

In my opinion, you would automatically suspect that some folks were hired over those that were more qualified.   Now that might not be true, but the suspicion is there.   Now it could be that women and minorities are better at the job that all other applicants.   Or it could mean that women and minorities are worse that more qualified candidates who didn't make the DEI cut.    This is the problem with DEI.   Do you want a less qualified surgeon working on you?  Do you want a less qualified pilot flying the airplane you are on?   This is why hiring and such should be based on merit.   That way if you have women and minorities in the job, you know they were the best qualified.  You don't have to wonder anymore.  

mspart

 

[jross]

I have never witnessed any of my employers, nor have I, chosen one candidate over another candidate because of their demographic information.  However, I did interview a minority demographic for a DBA position that didn't know what SQL and Tables were.  

What is the equivalent here?

• An electrician that doesn't know wiring...
• A chef that doesn't know how to use a knife...
• A mechanic that doesn't know how to use a wrench...

In the military it means that you lower the physical standards so that more women are considered.

Women?  I am biased.  Heavily biased.  Give me a middle-aged woman any day for project management.  Super productive compared to any other demographic I've routinely worked with.  

Disjointed thoughts there

[red viking]

It's very simple. It's valuing diversity and trying to make those people comfortable. It isn't about quotas or giving people preferential treatment based upon minority status. 

More right-wing propaganda lies. 

[Caveira]

44 minutes ago, jross said:

I have never witnessed any of my employers, nor have I, chosen one candidate over another candidate because of their demographic information.  However, I did interview a minority demographic for a DBA position that didn't know what SQL and Tables were.  

What is the equivalent here?

• An electrician that doesn't know wiring...
• A chef that doesn't know how to use a knife...
• A mechanic that doesn't know how to use a wrench...

In the military it means that you lower the physical standards so that more women are considered.

Women?  I am biased.  Heavily biased.  Give me a middle-aged woman any day for project management.  Super productive compared to any other demographic I've routinely worked with.  

Disjointed thoughts there

I have seen dei hiring in IT…. In the form of…… The next hire must be a minority or a woman or something in that regard.   In those events they would only interview candidates that fit their desired outcome.  I’ve even seen it in the Indian space in so far as an Indian vp saying I need a candidate for such and such and by the way they need to be Indian.  I think the Indian thing is pure more pure racism and less dei (imo at least).
 

to put a number on it.  Maybe 10 times in 20 years.   So once every other year or so.  

Edited 21 hours ago by Caveira

[Gene Mills Fan]

14 minutes ago, red viking said:

It's very simple. It's valuing diversity and trying to make those people comfortable. It isn't about quotas or giving people preferential treatment based upon minority status. 

More right-wing propaganda lies. 

I thought we couldn't say 'those people'    Asking for Fuzzy Zoeller

[WrestlingRasta]

My take:   It’s response.  There have been in fact for decades been more qualified people passed over for jobs because of skin, gender, nationality, sexuality, etc etc…down right appearance.  In response, movements and regulations have/had formed to move against this, which solicits a response. A response that solicits a response, which solicits a response, and so on until we get some of the ridiculous hires we had in the last administration solely in the name of diversity. 
 

Its simple.  Don’t give a *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* what you do.  You don’t force me to give a *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* what you do.   We should all get along.  The responsibility lies on both sides. 

[mspart]

2 hours ago, red viking said:

It's very simple. It's valuing diversity and trying to make those people comfortable. It isn't about quotas or giving people preferential treatment based upon minority status. 

More right-wing propaganda lies. 

Explain this in more detail as it would appear to most that it is about not hiring the most qualified, in order to hire those that fit the DEI profile.  If that is not the case, please show why.

mspart

[red viking]

40 minutes ago, mspart said:

Explain this in more detail as it would appear to most that it is about not hiring the most qualified, in order to hire those that fit the DEI profile.  If that is not the case, please show why.

mspart

We have DEI policies where I work. I've been on interview and scoring panels for candidates and we've never made race, gender etc a factor in the hiring. 

[Bigbrog]

25 minutes ago, red viking said:

We have DEI policies where I work. I've been on interview and scoring panels for candidates and we've never made race, gender etc a factor in the hiring. 

That is the whole point of DEI policies...why do they have goals and percentages to meet?  Good lord...you know it's Bizarro world when even the lefties are saying DEI isn't about race, gender, etc...

[Lipdrag]

17 hours ago, jross said:

I have never witnessed any of my employers,

I have.  At NASA.  In the military.  In universities. In international corporations.  Ranging from the 80's onward.  DEI is nothing new.  Just reshuffle the acronyms.

I have also seen it hurt the very best qualified and performing minorities very directly.  This one officer candidate was the absolute best among his peers.  Head and shoulders above the rest in a very high performing group.  But due to affirmative action and "goals" (aka quotas, wink, wink, nudge, nudge) it would always be wondered if he was where he was due to merit or melanin.  This was in the 1990s.

[152lbs]

20 hours ago, mspart said:

I am asking the board this question.  

What does DEI hiring in the airline pilot world mean?

What does DEI entrance to medical school mean?

What does DEI hiring in the University professor mean?

What does DEI hiring in the NFL players mean?

What does DEI hiring in anything mean?

In my opinion, you would automatically suspect that some folks were hired over those that were more qualified.   Now that might not be true, but the suspicion is there.   Now it could be that women and minorities are better at the job that all other applicants.   Or it could mean that women and minorities are worse that more qualified candidates who didn't make the DEI cut.    This is the problem with DEI.   Do you want a less qualified surgeon working on you?  Do you want a less qualified pilot flying the airplane you are on?   This is why hiring and such should be based on merit.   That way if you have women and minorities in the job, you know they were the best qualified.  You don't have to wonder anymore.  

mspart

It means you are a racist asshole because you are fixated on it. We get it, you want a white male aryan workforce.  You might very well get one.

[jross]

1 hour ago, 152lbs said:

It means you are a racist asshole because you are fixated on it. We get it, you want a white male aryan workforce.  You might very well get one.

When people claim that "merit" hiring will only benefit white male Aryans, it suggests they don't believe minorities can earn top jobs on their own merits. That's the real racism.

[VakAttack]

19 hours ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

I thought we couldn't say 'those people'    Asking for Fuzzy Zoeller

That's not the only thing ol' Fuzzy said.

[jross]

2 hours ago, Lipdrag said:

I have.  At NASA.  In the military.  In universities. In international corporations.  Ranging from the 80's onward.  DEI is nothing new.  Just reshuffle the acronyms.

I have also seen it hurt the very best qualified and performing minorities very directly.  This one officer candidate was the absolute best among his peers.  Head and shoulders above the rest in a very high performing group.  But due to affirmative action and "goals" (aka quotas, wink, wink, nudge, nudge) it would always be wondered if he was where he was due to merit or melanin.  This was in the 1990s.

I've noticed that in my engineering industry, above-average women tend to advance more quickly than their male counterparts. I believe this is due to diversity quotas aiming to mirror the general population's gender ratio. The industry has a stark gender imbalance, with roughly 15 men for every woman, yet women seem to be promoted at a rate of 10 to 1 compared to men. This observation leads me to encourage my daughter to pursue engineering, highlighting its bright future, broad opportunities, good pay, and the additional advantage her gender provides in this field.

Well maybe I did experience it, but I choose not to believe it.  Amazon head hunted me and I went through "overviews" with other candidates that were all non-white males.  I went through 8 interviews and felt that I aced the interview.  Obviously I did not because they told me I was not "technical" and recommended me for a non technical job.  During the process, I immediately noticed I was the minority in the candidate pool and amongst those that interviewed me, with exception to the bartender.  One thought that cross my mind was that I didn't fit the quota.  Even though I've won "architect" of the year for a large company, I reflected that I must not have answered with enough technical detail in the open ended behavior questions.  I also declined to relocate to Austin, TX.

[Caveira]

12 minutes ago, jross said:

I've noticed that in my engineering industry, above-average women tend to advance more quickly than their male counterparts. I believe this is due to diversity quotas aiming to mirror the general population's gender ratio. The industry has a stark gender imbalance, with roughly 15 men for every woman, yet women seem to be promoted at a rate of 10 to 1 compared to men. This observation leads me to encourage my daughter to pursue engineering, highlighting its bright future, broad opportunities, good pay, and the additional advantage her gender provides in this field.

Well maybe I did experience it, but I choose not to believe it.  Amazon head hunted me and I went through "overviews" with other candidates that were all non-white males.  I went through 8 interviews and felt that I aced the interview.  Obviously I did not because they told me I was not "technical" and recommended me for a non technical job.  During the process, I immediately noticed I was the minority in the candidate pool and amongst those that interviewed me, with exception to the bartender.  One thought that cross my mind was that I didn't fit the quota.  Even though I've won "architect" of the year for a large company, I reflected that I must not have answered with enough technical detail in the open ended behavior questions.  I also declined to relocate to Austin, TX.

That Amazon interview process is notoriously brutal. 
 

I’ve not done the math to your level (re promos etc) but I observe exactly the same thing and have for 15-20 years.  I also told my daughters the same thing.  

Edited 1 hour ago by Caveira

[mspart]

1 hour ago, 152lbs said:

It means you are a racist asshole because you are fixated on it. We get it, you want a white male aryan workforce.  You might very well get one.

36 minutes ago, jross said:

When people claim that "merit" hiring will only benefit white male Aryans, it suggests they don't believe minorities can earn top jobs on their own merits. That's the real racism.

This is the point.   152 - you are projecting.   You obviously think white aryans are the greatest and therefore will keep all minorities out of the workforce.   Talk about racist ideology.  

I don't care where they come from, I want the most competent to be hired, not because of other reasons that are esoteric.  

If 152 wants to fly on an airplane with a DEI hire, I guess good for him.   I'd rather fly on an airplane with a pilot who earned his way and was the best to pick from. 

I guarantee you that 152 would not want to see me playing in the NFL.   I'd fit strict DEI criteria.  Short and white, certainly a minority in that workforce.   No one wants to see that because I'm certainly not the best the NFL could do. 

Merit works everywhere.

mspart

 

Edited 1 hour ago by mspart