Iowa coaching malpractice

[Greenwave]

Brands decision in the Maryland dual is crazy.

 

Brands sit Teemer and wrestles Estrada, WTF.  If Teemer is hurt or not wanting to wrestle the 8th ranked wrestler in country just FF.

 

why burn a kids redshirt, things are out of hand at Iowa.

[666]

2 minutes ago, Greenwave said:

Brands decision in the Maryland dual is crazy.

 

Brands sit Teemer and wrestles Estrada, WTF.  If Teemer is hurt or not wanting to wrestle the 8th ranked wrestler in country just FF.

 

why burn a kids redshirt, things are out of hand at Iowa.

Even if Teemer is hurt and you don't want to burn Estrada's RS, Iowa should've just had one of their other reserves wrestle, even if a kid has to move up a weight. It's not as if Maryland was any threat to actually win the dual. Teemer may very well be hurt, he seems pretty fragile and he got manhandled by Kasak in his last match. 

[VakAttack]

8 minutes ago, 666 said:

Even if Teemer is hurt and you don't want to burn Estrada's RS, Iowa should've just had one of their other reserves wrestle, even if a kid has to move up a weight. It's not as if Maryland was any threat to actually win the dual. Teemer may very well be hurt, he seems pretty fragile and he got manhandled by Kasak in his last match. 

Manhandled?  Wasn't it 4-2?  The position at the end that everybody is focused on was born out of Teemer just getting into bad position trying to force a TD and going inside trip.

[1032004]

Kinda seems that way with Estrada but I wouldn’t be surprised if Estrada was on board with it.  Who knows how many chances he’ll have to start.

[666]

5 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Manhandled?  Wasn't it 4-2?  The position at the end that everybody is focused on was born out of Teemer just getting into bad position trying to force a TD and going inside trip.

He manhandled him. Teemer was never a threat. At the end Kasak stopped Teemer from doing anything by just lifting him off the mat and holding him there. 

[Greenwave]

Agree with all, but why burn a kids year and for a guy you spent top NLI Money on.

 

 

[Voice of the Quakers]

Looking forward to 2030 when Estrada successfully petitions for this year back at a different school.

[Tyler]

I’m seriously not surprised by this move one bit. It feels like the Brands thing to do

[CHROMEBIRD]

Is Teemer at risk of not finishing the season? Maybe he's still banged up. If trotting Estrada out was just "load management" then yeah, wtf. I would've liked to have seen JK go, unless he's greyshirting or something.

[strange_daze]

56 minutes ago, 666 said:

He manhandled him. Teemer was never a threat. At the end Kasak stopped Teemer from doing anything by just lifting him off the mat and holding him there. 

In other words, Kasak was stalling at the end to avoid the dangerous position created by Teemer. Interesting take.

[VakAttack]

1 hour ago, 666 said:

He manhandled him. Teemer was never a threat. At the end Kasak stopped Teemer from doing anything by just lifting him off the mat and holding him there. 

That's not manhandling.  What Mesenbrink did to Caliendo was manhandling.

[666]

2 minutes ago, strange_daze said:

In other words, Kasak was stalling at the end to avoid the dangerous position created by Teemer. Interesting take.

This is what the end of that match reminded me of. 

 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 hour ago, Greenwave said:

Agree with all, but why burn a kids year and for a guy you spent top NLI Money on.

 

 

There is no more NLI

[Dogbone]

Maybe they have Bassett penciled in at 157 in 5 years so they they don't need Estrada to have 4  more years of eligibility

[dragit]

Seems like just more of the same.

Decision which to many serious fans' naked eye doesn't make sense.  Giving up a year of eligibility for one match which has zero meaning to the team and seemingly minor meaning to the athlete.

No explanation given (as far as I am aware).

Thus speculation ensues.  And there's been plenty on the Iowa board.  Including blanket assertions of new NCAA rules which no one has reason to be confident in.

Another challenging vacuum-filling explanation:  He's not that good, so we don't mind burning a year of his eligibility.  Nice, so we're presuming he may not be a long-term starter at Iowa, and if he changes his mind about whether he's good with that and hits the portal, he does so without that year of eligibility.  

But there I am speculating.  Because, as usual, there is no plainly stated linear explanation for what happened.

There is no rule that says the coach has to explain anything to the lowly fans.  And sometimes there is a genuine competitive reason not to explain (kid has a specific injury and we don't want upcoming opponents to know).  But that's not the case here, is it?  Just like there wasn't a genuine competitive reason not to just say, Marinelli tore something in his ribs, he has to MFF out (because he's MFFing out of NCAAs, his season is over, so it doesn't matter if you say he's injured); instead, let's give a lot of roundabout rhetoric about his character and leave it for people to infer that he's a head case or having severe personal problems.

Just like there is no rule the coach has to explain, there's no rule that fans on message boards can't say, geez, we don't see a logical reason here and speculate that maybe they can't count to five or that they aren't good decision makers.

I generally like both the head coach and the associate head coach and even enjoy their quirks.  But some of those quirks can be maddening and seem like self-inflicted wounds.  If they were Cael, they could get away with it a lot easier.  It's like Crash Davis says in Bull Durham, if you're winning you can have fungus on your shower shoes and it makes you colorful; but if you're not, then you're just a slob.  Cael can give non-answers all he wants and get away with it; TnT, not so much.

[Greenwave]

1. Or Iowa is burning a year of his eligibility to limit his transfer options.

[dragit]

6 minutes ago, Greenwave said:

1. Or Iowa is burning a year of his eligibility to limit his transfer options.

Correct, that was in my list of problems with this move that we can only speculate about.  

[Wrestleknownothing]

It feels like the Brands' are not very good at the administrative details of coaching. In addition to burning Estrada's shirt for no discernible gain to either the program or Estrada, they also messed up Brody Teske's Big 10 seeds two years in a row.

[Le duke]

That's not manhandling.  What Mesenbrink did to Caliendo was manhandling.

He picked a grown ass man up and held him there for 8-10 seconds and fist pumped while blood was flowing down his forehead.


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[Caveira]

21 minutes ago, Le duke said:

He picked a grown ass man up and held him there for 8-10 seconds and fist pumped while blood was flowing down his forehead.


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All wrestlers have the strength to pick up someone their weight.   The head bleed sure it was cool but I don’t think it impacted that ability.  

[BruceyB]

23 minutes ago, Le duke said:

He picked a grown ass man up and held him there for 8-10 seconds and fist pumped while blood was flowing down his forehead.


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It was a bad ass moment, yes. But I would have been more impressed if he scored the takedown.

[Spencerlee]

Ya'll are acting like Estrada has no free will, and Brands was like "You're going Sunday or you're off the team". Maybe he doesn't want to be in college for 5-6 years?

[Greenwave]

Do you think anyone other thanks Brands have a say.

[dragit]

36 minutes ago, Spencerlee said:

Ya'll are acting like Estrada has no free will, and Brands was like "You're going Sunday or you're off the team". Maybe he doesn't want to be in college for 5-6 years?

Quite possible, but I have no idea.  Very reasonable on the other hand to infer that Brands directed this, I seem to recall Ferrari saying something to the effect of, Whether and when I wrestle is up to Tom Brands.

But the main point is that neither the coach or the wrestler has said anything (to my knowledge).  This is the number two ranked team in a division one sport, with a coach that is one of the highest paid public employees in the state, that apparently deploys seven figures of NIL money a year, and that competes in front of 15,000 people a match, and it is routine that obvious questions come up to which fans want answers but are never asked or answered.

Thus we offer basic speculation because we, absent any further edification from the team, see this decision:

No known benefit to the team.

Marginal at best benefit to the athlete.

Conceivably what the athlete prefers now, but very well might not be in a year or two if he wants to transfer.  You know, because he's very young, may not see the big picture as well as a 21 year old, and because when he's 21 his coach might (will!) recruit over him if the coach has the option, and then the wrestler might feel a little different about things.

[Spencerlee]

8 minutes ago, dragit said:

Quite possible, but I have no idea.  Very reasonable on the other hand to infer that Brands directed this, I seem to recall Ferrari saying something to the effect of, Whether and when I wrestle is up to Tom Brands.

But the main point is that neither the coach or the wrestler has said anything (to my knowledge).  This is the number two ranked team in a division one sport, with a coach that is one of the highest paid public employees in the state, that apparently deploys seven figures of NIL money a year, and that competes in front of 15,000 people a match, and it is routine that obvious questions come up to which fans want answers but are never asked or answered.

Thus we offer basic speculation because we, absent any further edification from the team, see this decision:

No known benefit to the team.

Marginal at best benefit to the athlete.

Conceivably what the athlete prefers now, but very well might not be in a year or two if he wants to transfer.  You know, because he's very young, may not see the big picture as well as a 21 year old, and because when he's 21 his coach might (will!) recruit over him if the coach has the option, and then the wrestler might feel a little different about things.

I’m hoping somebody asks him about it at some point. PR has never been Iowas strong suit.