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Stalling? Why was Gabe Arnold hit for stalling @ approx :14 secs left in the third vs Jaxon smith ??

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3 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

Keep him in or let him in?

They were on their feet and he was being somewhat aggressive.   I just didn’t understand it.   No biggie just wanna understand the rule. 

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2 hours ago, Caveira said:

They were on their feet and he was being somewhat aggressive.   I just didn’t understand it.   No biggie just wanna understand the rule. 

I'm asking what the ref said. Keep him in doesn't make much sense.

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5 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

I'm asking what the ref said. Keep him in doesn't make much sense.

He said to Gabe…. After the stall call before the restart something like ….  I got you for stalling (so he would know) it’s your responsibility to keep him in.   I posted cause it didn’t make much sense to me either.    It didn’t impact the match so I’m just curious.  
 

I can re fire up the match later it’s on btn+

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2 hours ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

Pushing without actively trying to score. I guess his "mindset" wasn't strong enough 

"pushing" as stalling is one of the more pervasive BS ideas in wrestling.

"Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."

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1 minute ago, Hammerlock3 said:

"pushing" as stalling is one of the more pervasive BS ideas in wrestling.

He appeared to be offensive minded at the time too imo.  Gabe did.  Later in ot those bs lower leg counts happened 2/3/4 times when Gabe was trying to turn.   Gotta stop messing with these rules.   😞 

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7 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

I'm asking what the ref said. Keep him in doesn't make much sense.

I haven't watched it yet, but maybe he wouldn't let him back in...you see that a lot.

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2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

He appeared to be offensive minded at the time too imo.  Gabe did.  Later in ot those bs lower leg counts happened 2/3/4 times when Gabe was trying to turn.   Gotta stop messing with these rules.   😞 

I feel like the lower leg count should be cumulative instead of restarting the count each time.

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3 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I feel like the lower leg count should be cumulative instead of restarting the count each time.

I’ve thought that too.   And I agree.  To many sit 1/2/3/4 and stop.  The. Sit 1/2/3/4 stop etc.  but I was legislated stalling out of wrestling.   We know what it looks like just call it.   Maybe keep danger / neutral danger   

 

 But I think the original intent from that Dillon/lehigh match in the semis was that blatant drop to the ankle to prevent an escape / kill time especially in ot.   That is a good use for this rule.   I don’t see that occur much any more.  I see people getting called post double leg or what not when it’s i guess the same …. But also very different.  In ot on Gabe that was bs I thought he was looking for a turn.  
 

sometimes they count right after a td.  Every time i see that even if its psu i think that’s just dumb.  . 

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I think it was a very time-delayed and long distance stall call from the Penn State match on Friday.  Arnold  was "playing the edge" from out of bounds while Ferrari wrestled.  Arnold never showed up for the tag in a planned tag-team scenario ... perhaps because he was in the stall himself.image.jpeg.d5ca497e680e5bfc140735e0f4f480e5.jpeg

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This wasn't the first time I've seen that called, but it is rare.  I think I saw it at NCAA's a year or two ago.  

Arnold wasn't wrestling, he was fingerlocking and just pushing out of bounds, pushing out of bounds without wrestling is illegal under the rules.  Refs typically just call action, but in the case where it was actively inhibiting action in the match, there is room for a stall call.  

Again, super rare because typically if somebody has the horsepower to push their opponent out of bounds that many times, they have more than what they need to execute other offense rather successfully.

But...gabe arnold is proving to be one of those "shooting is spooky" wrestlers.

I'm going to call it here first.  I think Arnold goes 2-2 at best at NCAA's, and he won't be the guy after this year.  Ferrari probably puts it on him pretty good, and I'm betting we see arnold in another singlet before the end of his college career. 

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38 minutes ago, wrestle87 said:

This wasn't the first time I've seen that called, but it is rare.  I think I saw it at NCAA's a year or two ago.  

Arnold wasn't wrestling, he was fingerlocking and just pushing out of bounds, pushing out of bounds without wrestling is illegal under the rules.  Refs typically just call action, but in the case where it was actively inhibiting action in the match, there is room for a stall call.  

Again, super rare because typically if somebody has the horsepower to push their opponent out of bounds that many times, they have more than what they need to execute other offense rather successfully.

But...gabe arnold is proving to be one of those "shooting is spooky" wrestlers.

I'm going to call it here first.  I think Arnold goes 2-2 at best at NCAA's, and he won't be the guy after this year.  Ferrari probably puts it on him pretty good, and I'm betting we see arnold in another singlet before the end of his college career. 

Sundowning a little early tonight 

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1 hour ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

Sundowning a little early tonight 

That is a uniquely disgusting insult.

Almost as disgusting as the fact that I'm sure you only eat smooth peanut butter.

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3 hours ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

 

 

1 hour ago, wrestle87 said:

Almost as disgusting as the fact that I'm sure you only eat smooth peanut butter.

Say it ain't so Mr. PB.  😮

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Earlier in the match (1st period?) they went out of bounds and Maryland coach Clemson got up and ran over to the head table complaining the entire way.  He got a warning from the official.  In the moment I thought that Clemson was complaining about nothing and it reminded me of Starocci's twitter comments about Clemson last year.  Later in the match when the official gave Arnold that stall call I thought that must be what Clemson was complaining about earlier.  He must have complained that Arnold was pushing Smith about of bounds and that it should have been a stall call on Arnold.

When the neutral out of bounds rule changed back in 2015 the official was given 3 options when the wrestlers go out of bounds in the neutral position.

 

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I rewatched it and Smith was called for stalling when they went out of bounds in the first period.  Clemson complained that Smith attempted to circle repeatedly and Arnold wouldn't let him in.  Essentially that Smith didn't back out.  At the time Arnold had an underhook and was not really attacking so much as pushing.

Below I've pasted links to the two stall calls.  Probably more of a case for stalling on Arnold in the first because he was reaching towards Smith's leg the second time. Also notable was the stoppage with 1:00 left shortly before the Arnold stall call.  Arnold had just defended Smith's shot and as Smith was getting back up Arnold two handed shoved Smith out of bounds for the restart.  Stall call may have been a makeup for the 1st period call which was a little harsh on Smith or the result of an accumulation of borderline OOB push/shoves by Arnold.

1st period stalling on Smith.

https://youtu.be/HSEjpHpmTag?si=j59u6IfEacBH8IaE&t=75

3rd period stalling on Arnold

https://youtu.be/HSEjpHpmTag?si=ynfpHItJ37_ZvXeI&t=546

 

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2 hours ago, fishbane said:

I rewatched it and Smith was called for stalling when they went out of bounds in the first period.  Clemson complained that Smith attempted to circle repeatedly and Arnold wouldn't let him in.  Essentially that Smith didn't back out.  At the time Arnold had an underhook and was not really attacking so much as pushing.

Below I've pasted links to the two stall calls.  Probably more of a case for stalling on Arnold in the first because he was reaching towards Smith's leg the second time. Also notable was the stoppage with 1:00 left shortly before the Arnold stall call.  Arnold had just defended Smith's shot and as Smith was getting back up Arnold two handed shoved Smith out of bounds for the restart.  Stall call may have been a makeup for the 1st period call which was a little harsh on Smith or the result of an accumulation of borderline OOB push/shoves by Arnold.

1st period stalling on Smith.

https://youtu.be/HSEjpHpmTag?si=j59u6IfEacBH8IaE&t=75

3rd period stalling on Arnold

https://youtu.be/HSEjpHpmTag?si=ynfpHItJ37_ZvXeI&t=546

 

tells Arnold - you have to keep him on 

meaning can't prevent him for coming back on mat

don't think call was warranted 

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In the last :30 seconds, sometimes I think refs feel obligated to hit the guy with the lead with a meaningless stalling call.

It wouldn't surprise me if stalling is called 5x more in the last :30 of a match than in the previous 6:30.

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