The Free Speech champions are free speeching so hard right now as they establish "forbidden terms" to appear in studies and publications

[VakAttack]

https://insidemedicine.substack.com/p/breaking-news-cdc-orders-mass-retraction?fbclid=IwY2xjawILzeZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHZPe5qQBEFBGDkb7F0pDZhWazMFNPMkoSBpW1XRrRHq0UpEhWUexq8rRZg_aem_lSAbm4R0ZOdbHqcT2PJQMg

https://gizmodo.com/cdc-ordered-to-scrub-website-of-words-like-transgender-and-lgbt-2000557177

 

And that's just the most easily accessible part of the reporting.  "Forbidden terms"!  Truly the stupidest, most cartoonist timeline.

Edited February 2 by VakAttack

[RockLobster]

"Forbidden terms" is so straight out of a communist country like Russia, NK, or China that I find it difficult to wrap my head around the fact that it is in the US and coming from the Trump administration.

I have visions of black vans driving around picking offenders up in the middle of the night, never to be seen again. That is routinely done in the aforementioned communist countries.

Which is even more crazy because ICE already does exactly that in the US - without legitimate due process, and with little pushback from citizens.

We're coming up on Super Bowl LIX soon - we'll have maybe a couple hundred million tuning in and watching.

But the purposeful erosion of freedom in America? All we'll hear is crickets.

[headshuck]

Also to be forbidden, “obesity.” We should make a list of some of the best over the years.

[1032004]

7 minutes ago, headshuck said:

Also to be forbidden, “obesity.” We should make a list of some of the best over the years.
 

This website is from the UK.

”Simon Goddek” is a hack btw.

[Offthemat]

7 hours ago, VakAttack said:

https://insidemedicine.substack.com/p/breaking-news-cdc-orders-mass-retraction?fbclid=IwY2xjawILzeZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHZPe5qQBEFBGDkb7F0pDZhWazMFNPMkoSBpW1XRrRHq0UpEhWUexq8rRZg_aem_lSAbm4R0ZOdbHqcT2PJQMg

https://gizmodo.com/cdc-ordered-to-scrub-website-of-words-like-transgender-and-lgbt-2000557177

 

And that's just the most easily accessible part of the reporting.  "Forbidden terms"!  Truly the stupidest, most cartoonist timeline.

You preferred it when:

”Commonly used terms such as “manpower,” “you guys,” “ladies and gentlemen,” “mother/father,” “son/daughter” and “husband/wife” should be avoided, according to the State Department chief, and replaced with words like, “labor force,” “everyone,” “folks,” “you all,” “parent,” “child,” “spouse” or partner” instead.”

https://nypost.com/2024/02/19/us-news/secretary-of-state-antony-blinken-urges-staffers-to-avoid-using-problematic-terms-like-manpower-and-mother-father-report/

[666]

9 hours ago, VakAttack said:

https://insidemedicine.substack.com/p/breaking-news-cdc-orders-mass-retraction?fbclid=IwY2xjawILzeZleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHZPe5qQBEFBGDkb7F0pDZhWazMFNPMkoSBpW1XRrRHq0UpEhWUexq8rRZg_aem_lSAbm4R0ZOdbHqcT2PJQMg

https://gizmodo.com/cdc-ordered-to-scrub-website-of-words-like-transgender-and-lgbt-2000557177

 

And that's just the most easily accessible part of the reporting.  "Forbidden terms"!  Truly the stupidest, most cartoonist timeline.

Welcome to Project 2025. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

2 hours ago, 666 said:

Welcome to Project 2025. 

I was wondering the same thing. Is this one of the planks of Project 2025 that Trump said he knew nothing about?

[Wrestleknownothing]

4 hours ago, Offthemat said:

You preferred it when:

”Commonly used terms such as “manpower,” “you guys,” “ladies and gentlemen,” “mother/father,” “son/daughter” and “husband/wife” should be avoided, according to the State Department chief, and replaced with words like, “labor force,” “everyone,” “folks,” “you all,” “parent,” “child,” “spouse” or partner” instead.”

https://nypost.com/2024/02/19/us-news/secretary-of-state-antony-blinken-urges-staffers-to-avoid-using-problematic-terms-like-manpower-and-mother-father-report/

You struggle with the difference between "should be avoided" and "banned".

[headshuck]

Don’t say that name twice or he’ll be back.

[666]

4 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I was wondering the same thing. Is this one of the planks of Project 2025 that Trump said he knew nothing about?

Yup. 

[headshuck]

Misgendering should be a crime according to millennials.

https://www.newsweek.com/misgendering-should-crime-according-millennials-1813178

[jross]

Trump has overlapping personnel that contributed to project 2025, and this section on vocabulary is an implicit extension of Trump's formally declared Agenda 47 agenda.

Recall that Agenda 47 says

Quote

Republicans Will End Left-wing Gender Insanity We will keep men out of women’s sports, ban Taxpayer funding for sex change surgeries, and stop Taxpayer-funded Schools from promoting gender transition, reverse Biden’s radical rewrite of Title IX Education Regulations, and restore protections for women and girls.

AND

Quote

Knowledge and Skills, Not CRT and Gender Indoctrination Republicans will ensure children are taught fundamentals like Reading, History, Science, and Math, not Leftwing propaganda. We will defund schools that engage in inappropriate political indoctrination of our children using Federal Taxpayer Dollars

 

Trump explicitly disagreed with parts of project 2025.  Abortion was the big topic of disagreement, with Trump advocating for arguments at the state level rather than Federal level.

So you are going to see parts but not all of project 2025 included.

[jross]

15 hours ago, RockLobster said:

"Forbidden terms" is so straight out of a communist country like Russia, NK, or China that I find it difficult to wrap my head around the fact that it is in the US and coming from the Trump administration.

I have visions of black vans driving around picking offenders up in the middle of the night, never to be seen again. That is routinely done in the aforementioned communist countries.

Which is even more crazy because ICE already does exactly that in the US - without legitimate due process, and with little pushback from citizens.

We're coming up on Super Bowl LIX soon - we'll have maybe a couple hundred million tuning in and watching.

But the purposeful erosion of freedom in America? All we'll hear is crickets.

Your concern is important but misplaced. Controlling the language in federal government documents doesn't amount to the public suppression you see in authoritarian countries like Russia, North Korea, or China, where people might literally vanish for speaking out.

Comparing ICE's policing of criminal aliens against policing government document word choice is inaccurate. 

[jross]

Quote

There’s a chill inside CDC, according to the staffer, though they concede it’s entirely possible that some staffers agree with the changes. Most people, however, seem on edge.

“I feel like already there’s a lot of self-censorship,” said the CDC employee. “I feel like this will have effects beyond any specific memo. People are really walking on eggshells about what they say.”

THIS IS EXACTLY HOW it felt to the silent majority from 2015 to 2021.

[red viking]

The hypocrisy of the right is amazing. They want to ban books from libraries but throw a fit when liberals want people to use less offensive terms. 

[jross]

Be offended!

[Tripnsweep]

8 hours ago, jross said:

Trump has overlapping personnel that contributed to project 2025, and this section on vocabulary is an implicit extension of Trump's formally declared Agenda 47 agenda.

Recall that Agenda 47 says

AND

 

Trump explicitly disagreed with parts of project 2025.  Abortion was the big topic of disagreement, with Trump advocating for arguments at the state level rather than Federal level.

So you are going to see parts but not all of project 2025 included.

Yes you will. He's already started doing things he said he wouldn't do and instead of pretending he'd never heard of Project 2025 it's now his playbook. 

I think a lot of people like you support him because you don't want to admit you fell for the lies of a career con man who is now a convicted felon. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

9 hours ago, jross said:

THIS IS EXACTLY HOW it felt to the silent majority from 2015 to 2021.

So then you should be against it.

[jross]

Speculation at this point.  Any bets to make on the abortion or another topic?

[jross]

I am against the way a person feels when they self-censor to maintain public peace.

It is super necessary to maintain peace.

[RockLobster]

On 2/2/2025 at 2:35 PM, jross said:

Your concern is important but misplaced. Controlling the language in federal government documents doesn't amount to the public suppression you see in authoritarian countries like Russia, North Korea, or China, where people might literally vanish for speaking out.

Comparing ICE's policing of criminal aliens against policing government document word choice is inaccurate. 

But you're wrong. It is accurate.

"Forbidden terms" is, indeed, a level of censorship. And this is exactly the type of thing that is getting people laid off and fired from federal work at this very moment.

You can argue that "it doesn't rise to the same level" as other countries - but that is dependent on your perspective and personal opinion, as well as the pre-existing conditions prior to this censorship change. It's all relative, and there is no concrete comparison between what we are seeing in the US vs other countries.

One other mistake you made.

ICE is well known for detaining (and worse) US citizens. As they are known for detaining (and worse) non-criminal aliens.

Your claim that ICE is only policing "criminal aliens" is 100% inaccurate.

Edited Thursday at 03:49 AM by RockLobster

[Husker_Du]

if i were Rock Lobster or Trip, this would be the last straw. unconscionable and embarrassing. you guys should really show us and move to New Zealand or something. i wouldn't blame you one bit. 

[Offthemat]

2 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

if i were Rock Lobster or Trip, this would be the last straw. unconscionable and embarrassing. you guys should really show us and move to New Zealand or something. i wouldn't blame you one bit. 

Of course, you’ll have to qualify.  It’s not like they let just anyone in. 
 

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[WrestlingRasta]

Is this written on that statue resting on the coast of New Zealand that also reads “Give me your tired, your poor. Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuge of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempted tossed to me, I shine my lamp beside the Golden Door!”

The answer is no, because that statue doesn’t exist in New Zealand.  A different country built on different values. Not to mention the size of New Zealand doesn’t fully stretch even the eastern seaboard of the United States. 
 

Great comparison though. 

Edited Thursday at 12:06 PM by WrestlingRasta

[1032004]

Looks like updates to CDC’s public death reporting system may have been halted.  If Dems did this the right would probably be screaming that Dems were now planning to kill them or something.