Pocahontas (Liz Warren) and the Democrats are going all out nuclear on Robert Kennedy at his hearing.

[Paul158]

The vitriol hatred the democrats have for this man is quite evident. What a circus.

[okokzach]

If they're fighting especially hard, you might consider their arguments against him instead of just thinking red team good blue team bad 

[Paul158]

32 minutes ago, okokzach said:

If they're fighting especially hard, you might consider their arguments against him instead of just thinking red team good blue team bad 

I love Liz Warren questions about his ethics in business. That was rich. I mean I thought her head was going to blow up. These candidates have to go through intense financial scrutiny and background check to even be nominated. America is in a crisis health wise. Some of the drugs we have are very questionable. The things we are putting in our food is very questionable. Is Robert Kennedy a perfect person in every instance. No. Who is?

[Offthemat]

1 hour ago, Paul158 said:

The vitriol hatred the democrats have for this man is quite evident. What a circus.

They are absolutely despicable.  Expect the same for Tulsi and Kash. 

[Caveira]

24 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

ethics

What you’re missing here is a little known fact.  She reads this board and is afraid, as an Indian, she will be deported by the crazy crazy ice peoples or dr phill.   

[mspart]

She was already agitated before her questioning began.   Is it too much to ask that the Senators, the most august quorum of legislators in the world, act like it?

Probing questions are fine.   Screeching is very unprofessional.  Same with gotcha questions.  Just asking for them to be serious. 

mspart

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, Paul158 said:

The vitriol hatred the democrats have for this man is quite evident. What a circus.

Especially the Democrats who know him best, his family.

[uncle bernard]

Idk, I think it's fair that an HIV-denier and guy who helped cause a measles outbreak in Guam is getting some extra rough treatment in his confirmation hearing for...checks notes...Health and Human Services.

 

[Bigbrog]

32 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Idk, I think it's fair that an HIV-denier and guy who helped cause a measles outbreak in Guam is getting some extra rough treatment in his confirmation hearing for...checks notes...Health and Human Services.

 

LOL...I am claiming BS on this!  Prove any of your claims as I googled and found nothing to prove either of these ridiculous statements.

[uncle bernard]

2 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

LOL...I am claiming BS on this!  Prove any of your claims as I googled and found nothing to prove either of these ridiculous statements.

https://glaad.org/gap/robert-f-kennedy-jr/

"Repeatedly promoted the falsehood that HIV is not the cause of AIDS, instead attributing the condition to other factors such as recreational drug use, particularly amyl nitrite (“poppers”), and lifestyle stressors. This is AIDS denialism, a fringe belief that has been thoroughly debunked by the scientific community. In fact, the connection between HIV and AIDS is well-established science. In 2008, the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine was awarded to Françoise Barré-Sinoussi and Luc Montagnier for their discovery of HIV as the cause of AIDS. HIV causes AIDS. The scientific consensus, supported by numerous studies and the success of antiretroviral treatments in managing HIV and preventing AIDS, firmly establishes HIV as the cause of AIDS."

Good article on it: https://www.bugeyedandshameless.com/p/joe-rogan-and-robert-f-kennedy-jr

From his book on Fauci:

"The HIV virus…was a kind of free rider that was also associated with overlapping lifestyle exposures. Duesberg and many who have followed him offered evidence that heavy recreational drug use in gay men and drug addicts was the real cause of immune deficiency among the first generation of AIDS sufferers. They argued that the initial signals of AIDS, Kaposi’s sarcoma and Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia (PCP), were both strongly linked to amyl nitrite — “poppers” — a popular drug among promiscuous gays. Other common “wasting” symptoms were all associated with heavy drug use and lifestyle stressors."

In the same book, he praises Christine Maggiore as a hero. She was an HIV/AIDS denialist who encouraged women not to take HIV treatment like herself. As a result, she passed the virus to her daughter, who died at 3 years old. She later died of one of the most common AIDS related illnesses. 15 years later, RFK somehow still thinks she was right.

For the measles outbreak, it was Samoa, not Guam (see you can realize you're wrong and admit it!)

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/rfk-jr-appears-before-congress-as-his-comments-spreading-misinformation-draw-scrutiny

“In Samoa, there were two children that died immediately following receipt of a measles vaccine… Now, very quickly, within two weeks, it was realized what that mistake was. It was a nursing error. But, nonetheless, RFK Jr. seized on that. He flooded Facebook with information that the measles vaccine is killing children in Samoa. He went to Samoa. He met with anti-vaccine activists. He met with senior officials in Samoa and kept the drumbeat alive that the measles vaccine was killing children in Samoa. As a consequence, vaccination rates fell from 70 percent to 30 percent. And between September and December of 2019, there was a massive measles epidemic. In this island nation of 200,000 people, there were 57,000 cases of measles and 83 deaths. Most of those deaths were in children less than four years of age. And Robert F. Kennedy Jr. had everything to do with that. And that shows you how disinformation can kill.”

[VakAttack]

Should be the easiest one for Ds to crack thru and deny his appointment, given his years of prior leftist statements making the Rs less married to protecting him but it's become readily apparent he doesn't really have principles so much as wants power, as evidenced by his statements about abortion today vs. at least 2023, maybe 2024.  Will Rs be willing to cross Trump?  Seems unlikely.  A truly dangerous person is likely going to be in a truly dangerous position.

[jross]

RFK JR has one thing right.

Obesity is the number one health threat to Americans.

[Danny Deck]

And yet, he's anti-Ozempic.

[Paul158]

54 minutes ago, Danny Deck said:

And yet, he's anti-Ozempic.

What's wrong with diet and exercise. What's wrong with subsidizing people being healthy. Promoting healthy lifestyles and healthy living.

[Danny Deck]

I didn't say anything was. But you should use all the tools in the toolbox. Ozempic has shown strong benefits far beyond just weight control and helps people have healthy lifestyles. 

[red viking]

They should. This guy is a complete idiot. 

[Paul158]

3 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Especially the Democrats who know him best, his family.

They are Betraying their own best buddy. I wonder why they didn't put old Ted out to pasture after Chappaquiddick. Poor Mary Jo. She was only 28 years old. 

[Paul158]

19 minutes ago, Danny Deck said:

I didn't say anything was. But you should use all the tools in the toolbox. Ozempic has shown strong benefits far beyond just weight control and helps people have healthy lifestyles. 

Looks like you are supposed to use just for type 2 diabetes, and you may see some weight loss. It says it is not recommended for weight loss alone.

[Danny Deck]

Several other GLP1s have been approved for weight loss. I was using Ozempic as a stand in for the class of drugs as the most well known. 

 

The initial studies for other behaviors have been very positive and fascinating. 

[Offthemat]

There’s some discussion of bone thinning due to ozempic.  
 

It was really nervy for Warren to question RFKJr about taking money from Pharma when she is one of the biggest recipients?

[Danny Deck]

As with weight loss from just diet, I think you have to be careful that you maintain muscle mass and I wouldn't be surprised about bone density as well. 

A quick search found this: 

The researchers found that people who took a GLP-1 receptor agonist had reduced hip and spine bone mineral density when they didn’t exercise, compared to people who took a placebo or just exercised.

“These findings suggest that the addition of exercise to GLP-1 RA treatment is an effective weight loss strategy while preserving bone health,” the researchers wrote.

 

Study: Weight Loss Drugs Like Ozempic Could Trigger Bone Loss

Resistance training is super important. 

[mspart]

32 minutes ago, Danny Deck said:

As with weight loss from just diet, I think you have to be careful that you maintain muscle mass and I wouldn't be surprised about bone density as well. 

A quick search found this: 

The researchers found that people who took a GLP-1 receptor agonist had reduced hip and spine bone mineral density when they didn’t exercise, compared to people who took a placebo or just exercised.

“These findings suggest that the addition of exercise to GLP-1 RA treatment is an effective weight loss strategy while preserving bone health,” the researchers wrote.

 

Study: Weight Loss Drugs Like Ozempic Could Trigger Bone Loss

Resistance training is super important. 

They could go into space and do the same.

mspart

[Caveira]

Top 20 Member Recipients of Money from Pharmaceuticals / Health Products, 2019-2020
 

#1

Sanders, Bernie (I-VT)

$1,417,633

#2 

Warren, Elizabeth (D-MA)

$822,573

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=2020&ind=H04&recipdetail=M&sortorder=U

[Offthemat]

Someone recommended congress critters wear suits like NASCAR drivers, showing all their sponsors.  

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Someone recommended congress critters wear suits like NASCAR drivers, showing all their sponsors.  

Would be amazing.  One of the first things I learned in sales…. When you’re talking to other sales people (even/especially in your company) understanding where their variable comp comes from can explain a ton of their probably predictable behavior.