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Caveira Big Brain

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  On 1/11/2025 at 3:01 AM, Wrestleknownothing said:

Any truth to the rumor Beau Bartlett had to stay behind and do an extra workout as penance?

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Maybe he spent more time trying to find two shoes the same color vs finding his offense…. As it was at least absent in the first period.  

RawDog State Champion

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Well that's a problem in itself. How does a big ten school have 1 barely ranked wrestler. That program needs a complete overhaul

1032004 Big Brain

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  On 1/11/2025 at 4:04 AM, okokzach said:

They have only one ranked wrestler, #25 197lb freshman Remy Cotton

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Looks like they also didn’t use Tristan Lujan at 133 who was a NQ at 125 last year, although he already has some bad losses, including 14-1 to a guy he beat last year. But he actually lost to Davis twice by decision last season 

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These teams are not even in the same universe, sadly.  It wasn't so long ago that we could at least look forward to a Chase Saldate, Caleb Fish, or a Cameron Caffey.  But at this point, there wasn't a real purpose for these teams to have a dual.  

1032004 Big Brain

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By my count MSU had 5 qualifiers last year.  The aforementioned Lujan, Malczewski who graduated, Fish/Saldate who transferred out, and Jordan Hamdan.  Hamdan had one more year of eligibility but was there for 5 years so guessing he graduated and moved on

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  On 1/11/2025 at 7:22 AM, 1032004 said:

By my count MSU had 5 qualifiers last year.  The aforementioned Lujan, Malczewski who graduated, Fish/Saldate who transferred out, and Jordan Hamdan.  Hamdan had one more year of eligibility but was there for 5 years so guessing he graduated and moved on

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@nhs67 has referenced the quality of their room being worse than many high school rooms.  If that's true, it would lead me to believe the NIL situation may not be very robust for wrestling in East Lansing

BruceyB NCAA All-American

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  On 1/11/2025 at 7:23 AM, flyingcement said:

@nhs67 has referenced the quality of their room being worse than many high school rooms.  If that's true, it would lead me to believe the NIL situation may not be very robust for wrestling in East Lansing

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The assertation that their room would be worse than "many" high school rooms is absolutely, sorry to say, idiotic. Less than 1% of high school wrestlers go D1.. how many high schools boast a room where the majority of athletes are in the top 1%? You could say that there are a handful of high school rooms that may be better than MSU, but out of the thousands upon thousands of high school programs, there are a handful of wrestling factories that would have a better room. "Many" is obviously subjective, but I would say it's much more fair to say that their are a few elite high school programs with better quality in the room.

Relatively speaking, most "bad" D1 starters are state champion caliber wrestlers in most states, and more often than not, better. If everyone on a high school team is an average state champion, they still aren't going to compete with MSU. People forget that being a D1 NQ still puts an athlete in the top .001% of all high school wrestlers. They may be a bad starter in D1, but they're still going to wreck an average high school state champion.

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flyingcement Big Brain

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  On 1/11/2025 at 9:17 AM, BruceyB said:

The assertation that their room would be worse than "many" high school rooms is absolutely, sorry to say, idiotic. Less than 1% of high school wrestlers go D1.. how many high schools boast a room where the majority of athletes are in the top 1%? You could say that there are a handful of high school rooms that may be better than MSU, but out of the thousands upon thousands of high school programs, there are a handful of wrestling factories that would have a better room. "Many" is obviously subjective, but I would say it's much more fair to say that their are a few elite high school programs with better quality in the room.

Relatively speaking, most "bad" D1 starters are state champion caliber wrestlers in most states, and more often than not, better. If everyone on a high school team is an average state champion, they still aren't going to compete with MSU. People forget that being a D1 NQ still puts an athlete in the top .001% of all high school wrestlers. They may be a bad starter in D1, but they're still going to wreck an average high school state champion.

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When I said room, I didn't mean wrestlers.  I mean the actual physical room. Sorry for confusion

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BruceyB NCAA All-American

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  On 1/11/2025 at 9:19 AM, flyingcement said:

When I said room, I didn't mean wrestlers.  I mean the actual physical room. Sorry for confusion

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That is a huge, huge difference. I feel like a real donkey. I just hate when people disparage lower level D1 wrestlers like they weren't also at one time very good high school wrestlers. On a message board where we spend most of the time talking about the elite of the D1 ranks, it's easy to forget that being a D1 NQ, as I previously mentioned, is something than less than 1/1000 high school wrestlers accomplish.

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  On 1/11/2025 at 9:51 AM, BruceyB said:

That is a huge, huge difference. I feel like a real donkey. I just hate when people disparage lower level D1 wrestlers like they weren't also at one time very good high school wrestlers. On a message board where we spend most of the time talking about the elite of the D1 ranks, it's easy to forget that being a D1 NQ, as I previously mentioned, is something than less than 1/1000 high school wrestlers accomplish.

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I could have worded it more clearly so we can split the misunderstanding but I think we do agree

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BruceyB NCAA All-American

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  On 1/11/2025 at 11:18 AM, 666 said:

PSU has a 67-3 record in their 7 dual meets this year. That's got to be some kind of record. 

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To be fair, the best school they've wrestled has been what.. Little Rock?

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