Government Incompetence

[headshuck]

I doubt you are suggesting that California will not implement any changes after this because it would be futile. So what will have been learned that will result in major changes?

[Husker_Du]

1 hour ago, Tripnsweep said:

Lack of preparedness for something like this. Generally with disasters, you plan for the worst, and I don't think anyone anticipated this as being something that could happen.

which is precisely what i've been saying (and why i posted the cut in funding).

but you went the douche route and tried to slip in a zinger. 

[Tripnsweep]

31 minutes ago, headshuck said:

I doubt you are suggesting that California will not implement any changes after this because it would be futile. So what will have been learned that will result in major changes?

I'm sure something will change, but as usual it's too little too late. This is unprecedented really, which is why even if this was floated as a possibility, it just wasn't seen as likely to ever happen. 

About 10 years ago where I live we had really heavy rain for like 4 days in a row. I had to actually get sandbags because I thought where I lived might flood. That's an anomaly because we live in a desert. But because our infrastructure isn't designed to handle that, we had flooding in places nobody ever expected it to happen. After that, people made a big deal about upgrading our infrastructure to handle this when it happened again. So they upgraded some things and made a big deal about it. We haven't had storms that have even come close to that since, which even though money was spent, it is basically useless since there hasn't been a need for it. 

So I'm sure the results of this are going to be reactionary, and in 5 or so years, we'll have idiots who question the wisdom of having spent money to make those changes. But I doubt the changes that are made are going to really solve the problem. 

[Tripnsweep]

26 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

which is precisely what i've been saying (and why i posted the cut in funding).

but you went the douche route and tried to slip in a zinger. 

No you aren't. You're laying the blame at politicians you disagree with, when it has nothing to do with them. 

[Caveira]

22 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

No you aren't. You're laying the blame at politicians you disagree with, when it has nothing to do with them. 

Whom is to blame?

[Husker_Du]

44 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

No you aren't. You're laying the blame at politicians you disagree with, when it has nothing to do with them. 

who is to blame for 'lack of preparedness' (your words)?

[Husker_Du]

4 hours ago, Le duke said:

 

If I open all of the fire hydrants in your neighborhood, some of them are going to have no water; pressure is not unlimited. Is this a new concept to you? Also, a firehose aimed at a large scale wildfire is like pissing on a bonfire. It's not going to stop anything. 

As a person new to the mountain west, you have a lot of learning to do about fires, root causes and human responses. 

oh ffs. you realize they still, at this very moment, need to fight the fires, right?

they could use more effin water. wtf are you missing?

is this a new concept for you, you pompous prick?

Me: they need water solutions

LeDuke: you have a lot to learn about wildfires 

you don't have to be a fuggin Park Ranger to know THEY CURRENTLY NEED WATER

whether that water comes from the reservoir they allocated 7b for and never built, or from pump tanks on the beach that they have to yet employ or from the existing system in which they can't adequately pump 'up hill'.

the bottom line is it's not ideal, there has been clear failures and yet for some reason you want to sit here and throw up your hands as if there aren't very obvious solutions to at least help the present situation.

but no, sit here and tell me i have a lot to learn while you make excuses because you clearly don't have the remedial logic to actually address the topic.

blowhard. 

[Bigbrog]

I have a question...how is it in this century we have cars that can drive themselves but haven't figured out water pressure issues??

[Caveira]

Her (la mayor) staff giving her the craziest dirty looks as she lies in her presser.   

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYw4B217/

La mayor refusing to answer any questions 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYw4LJ16/

lafd senior brass all dei hires

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYw4M9vs/

Edited Thursday at 06:56 PM by Caveira

[mspart]

2 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

Lack of preparedness for something like this. Generally with disasters, you plan for the worst, and I don't think anyone anticipated this as being something that could happen. Or they did but just considered it unlikely. Because they are dealing with 3 separate major fires in and around the LA basin right now, there aren't enough crews to quickly tackle it, I know that crews from other parts of the state and other states were mobilized, again because nobody anticipated something like this. It's like saying you should have police stationed inside a bank to prevent robberies. The problem is you can't put police everywhere, and even if you got lucky and the police were present when a robbery happened, they might not be able to stop it anyway. 

Wildland firefighting is a very difficult job, most of them it's a seasonal gig. My friend who was a hotshot was also a fisherman in Alaska when he wasn't doing this. The pay is shockingly low, and a solid 40% of them in California are convicts in prison who have extensive training and do this to shorten their time. Regular municipal firefighters are trained differently, they have different tactics and even though many of them are in great shape, it's like comparing a regular enlisted soldier to a Navy SEAL. Hotshots regularly work 18 hours days with little rest, no breaks, and a decent chance of being killed. Part of why they're attracted to it because of the thrill. 

So blaming the lack of preparedness of local firefighters and apparatus to fight local fires is stupid. Because you're talking about two different things. This is the absolute worst case scenario that somebody could have come up with, and I'm sure somewhere somebody floated the idea, but nobody seriously prepared for it because of it being unlikely. Except here we are. 

Where you can lay blame locally is with fuel not being cleared away or poor choices of construction materials, planning, layouts, etc. But municipal planning is a whole different thing, since nobody expected this to happen. 

Lack of preparedness?   Thanks for your expert analysis.   That is what everyone on here is saying.   What a load you are.

And why were they unprepared?   Because the politicians voted in to keep the people safe were derelict in their duty.   LA mayor reduced LA fire department budget.   Proposition 1 provided for funding reservoirs years ago and nothing has come of it.   The state has actively reduced the ability to store water.   They have not cleared the fire fuel from the forests and wilderness as they were warned to do .  They have been warned for years about this lack of preparedness, yet they did  nothing to get better prepared abut actively did things to go the opposite direction.  

You can't stop a fire coming but there is knowledge out there on how to mitigate its effects and actively fight it effectively.   But these were ignored for more important funding initiatives. 

mspart

Edited Thursday at 07:09 PM by mspart

[headshuck]

Ah ha! System was drained back in June!

[Caveira]

56 minutes ago, mspart said:

Lack of preparedness?   Thanks for your expert analysis.   That is what everyone on here is saying.   What a load you are.

And why were they unprepared?   Because the politicians voted in to keep the people safe were derelict in their duty.   LA mayor reduced LA fire department budget.   Proposition 1 provided for funding reservoirs years ago and nothing has come of it.   The state has actively reduced the ability to store water.   They have not cleared the fire fuel from the forests and wilderness as they were warned to do .  They have been warned for years about this lack of preparedness, yet they did  nothing to get better prepared abut actively did things to go the opposite direction.  

You can't stop a fire coming but there is knowledge out there on how to mitigate its effects and actively fight it effectively.   But these were ignored for more important funding initiatives. 

mspart

Don’t forget the dei hiring priorities and the trip to Ghana 

https://time.com/7205815/karen-bass-los-angeles-wildfires-mayor-controversy/

[Lipdrag]

Government competence restored!! 

Newsom solves the problem! 

Just like he and all the California politicians and CARB (California Air Resources Board) solved global warming via mandate:

https://babylonbee.com/news/problem-solved-newsom-announces-plan-to-make-fire-illegal

[headshuck]

Victor Davis Hanson’s analysis are always a good read. He’s a little tough on Kamala, apparently her home is in an evacuation zone.

[uncle bernard]

19 hours ago, Caveira said:

La mayor cutting fire dept budget 17m+

https://nypost.com/2025/01/08/us-news/la-mayor-karen-bass-cut-fire-department-funding-by-17-6m/

All of that money (and much more) was re-allocated to LAPD because of people like you who won't stop crying about defunding the police even though they are already significantly *over-funded.* Their budget was increased at their request by $100+ million, which was balanced out by cuts to other social services.

22 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

 

Conservatives shouldn't be able to have it both ways. You can't put enormous pressure on the government to cut spending and balance budgets and then complain when the services that can't be funded don't work or aren't built.

Plus, as @Le duke has already pointed out, this project, though it's not a bad idea, would not have helped with the fires.

Also, Mr. "climate change is a hoax," why do you think we're seeing an increase in catastrophic wildfires? You're the last person who should get to complain about this.

[Caveira]

16 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

All of that money (and much more) was re-allocated to LAPD because of people like you who won't stop crying about defunding the police even though they are already significantly *over-funded.* Their budget was increased at their request by $100+ million, which was balanced out by cuts to other social services.

You sure it wasn’t the 451 new dei positions they created?

Edited Thursday at 09:03 PM by Caveira

[Tripnsweep]

2 hours ago, mspart said:

Lack of preparedness?   Thanks for your expert analysis.   That is what everyone on here is saying.   What a load you are.

And why were they unprepared?   Because the politicians voted in to keep the people safe were derelict in their duty.   LA mayor reduced LA fire department budget.   Proposition 1 provided for funding reservoirs years ago and nothing has come of it.   The state has actively reduced the ability to store water.   They have not cleared the fire fuel from the forests and wilderness as they were warned to do .  They have been warned for years about this lack of preparedness, yet they did  nothing to get better prepared abut actively did things to go the opposite direction.  

You can't stop a fire coming but there is knowledge out there on how to mitigate its effects and actively fight it effectively.   But these were ignored for more important funding initiatives. 

mspart

This isn't about municipal fire departments. The people who fight wildfires are not part of that. How stupid are you? 

The forest service and other agencies handle these things. Not your local municipal fire department. They definitely can help but they are not the primary agency that handles wildfires. That is handled by specialist crews who are trained to handle it. 

I swear that it's a miracle you don't suffocate by forgetting to breathe. 

[mspart]

21 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Conservatives shouldn't be able to have it both ways. You can't put enormous pressure on the government to cut spending and balance budgets and then complain when the services that can't be funded don't work or aren't built.

Correct.  Cut spending to that which is absolutely necessary.   Fire prevention and fighting is necessary.  Eight years ago the voters approved billions for water recovery.   That did not happen.   You excuse malfeasance as if it was not a decision made by voted in to keep the people safe.   But it is exactly their decisions that led to no water in the hydrants and the fuel that allowed the fire to get out of control with 0% containment for days.    Who else should be faulted? 

This happened in Seattle some years ago.   It got cold and the roads iced up.   City busses were sliding down the steep hills that rival San Francisco.  Many cars were also damaged as a result.   All because the mayor said not salt on the roads.   Zero, nada.   Why?   Because Mr. Ecology didn't want to unbalance the Puget Sound with too much salt.   Next election he was outta there.   Another fool came in.   But they salt the roads now.  Hopefully the good people of CA can make the necessary changes to get this situation changed for the better.  

mspart

[Caveira]

27 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

This isn't about municipal fire departments. The people who fight wildfires are not part of that. How stupid are you? 

Are these the municipal fire departments not helping?

At a morning news conference, Los Angeles County Fire Department Chief Anthony Marrone said all 29 county fire departments are at "a drawdown, with no fire apparatus or additional personnel to spare."

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/losangeles/news/los-angeles-fire-crews-maxed-out-assistance-comes-from-outside-county-and-state/

when it says all 29 departments …..    ???

[Paul158]

18 hours ago, Le duke said:

Can you, or this person, explain how a dam will prevent wildfires?

We have reservoirs all over CO. Big ones, small ones. There were a bunch right near a couple of fires that happened back in 2020. One of them was right next to Lake Granby, the third largest body of water in CO. Unfortunately, you can’t pump water uphill fast enough, and you can’t scoop it out in enough volume with an aircraft, to make much, if any, dent in a truly large fire.

The most effective thing is a couple of big ass bulldozers and a bunch of dudes with chainsaws working behind them. Remove fuel, starve the fire, keep it from spreading. And, in the mountain west, there’s an unlimited supply of fuel.


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A little common sense goes a long way/

[ionel]

23 hours ago, ionel said:

Yes 4 years of Biden and his left-wingers ignoring the important stuff.  

 

19 hours ago, ionel said:

So with power outages in LA, hospitals going on backup generators, winds blowing 100 mph, surely the backup power is coming from wind turbines correct?  Please don't tell me its diesel.  

 

9 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

A little common sense goes a long way/

So believe Biden just said the reason for no water was because they shut off electric due to fire and had no backup power for pumping water.  So is this because CA banned diesel, is it what RV suggested of left-wingers ignoring the important stuff, is it lack of common sense or all of the above?  

Edited Thursday at 10:06 PM by ionel

[Offthemat]

Extreme radical environmentalism. 

[Caveira]

21 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Extreme radical environmentalism. 

Isn’t the fact that they’re not cleaning the fuel off the Forrest floor something to do with the environment?   (This one I’m not 100% positive on)

[Offthemat]

23 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Isn’t the fact that they’re not cleaning the fuel off the Forrest floor something to do with the environment?   (This one I’m not 100% positive on)

Yes.  The Indians had better forestry management than has been practiced the last fifty years. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, Offthemat said:

Yes.  The Indians had better forestry management than has been practiced the last fifty years. 

To trip or lobster bisque or what not.  Haven’t they been saying “clean the fuel off the floor of the Forrest”.  
 

who is responsible for not doing that?   I bet it’s a politician and not a civilian.