Looking for concrete reasons why ID is not needed to vote but is needed to do almost everything else

[Husker_Du]

43 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

They essentially live in a different country. Their way of life existed long before this country did. And you don't like it because it forces our norms on theirs? Give me a ***ducking** break. 

has nothing to do with their norms. you're the one that constantly posts borderline racist *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* (without realizing it)

what i scoff at is the concept that the concerns on the res as a reason why there should be mass fraud in detroit. 

it's fixable. your party don't want it fixed so they make stuff up. 

[Tripnsweep]

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

has nothing to do with their norms. you're the one that constantly posts borderline racist *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* (without realizing it)

what i scoff at is the concept that the concerns on the res as a reason why there should be mass fraud in detroit. 

it's fixable. your party don't want it fixed so they make stuff up. 

I'm not talking about Detroit. I don't live there, I don't know how they do things. I'm telling you why it's a bad idea. Because some people don't need an ID or care about it because they don't need one. I would guess there's other communities where that is the same. 

Also if you have proof of mass fraud as you say, then you should switch careers because you apparently found what nobody else could find. In fact you're wasting time arguing here when you should be off presenting your obviously superior knowledge of election law and procedures. 

[PortaJohn]

2 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

it's fixable.

 

1 hour ago, Tripnsweep said:

I'm not talking about Detroit. I don't live there, I don't know how they do things. I'm telling you why it's a bad idea. Because some people don't need an ID or care about it because they don't need one. I would guess there's other communities where that is the same. 

Trip, as I mentioned in another post you have a valid point but it is totally fixable as was the case in North Dakota.  Got fixed.

[ionel]

1 hour ago, Tripnsweep said:

I'm not talking about Detroit. I don't live there, I don't know how they do things. I'm telling you why it's a bad idea. Because some people don't need an ID or care about it because they don't need one. I would guess there's other communities where that is the same. 

Also if you have proof of mass fraud as you say, then you should switch careers because you apparently found what nobody else could find. In fact you're wasting time arguing here when you should be off presenting your obviously superior knowledge of election law and procedures. 

Why do we need an id to drive a car?  We've been driving for over a hundred years now, everybody knows how or can quickly learn.  Was there mass fraud before driver IDs?  

[Offthemat]

2 hours ago, ionel said:

Why do we need an id to drive a car?  We've been driving for over a hundred years now, everybody knows how or can quickly learn.  Was there mass fraud before driver IDs?  

I think it’s been changed.  You only need a license and insurance if you’re a citizen. 

[ionel]

54 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

I think it’s been changed.  You only need a license and insurance if you’re a citizen. 

I think the license is the ID, you know picture, address, dob etc. 

[Caveira]

What percentage of the American population is Indian on a reservation.  I read there are approx 2% of the total us population are Indian and 13% are on reservations.  At 330m (estimate) total population that’s 850k total people.  Some.  More than 0 have an ID.  We want this to be the only main reason for no voter id ?   I already showed you a vid of the African American population calling bs on them not being able to get id.   

[red viking]

After all the whining by the wingers and countless court battles, still zero evidence of any significant voter fraud whatsoever. 

[headshuck]

[red viking]

2 hours ago, headshuck said:

 

WI report LMAO. You realize that the voter fraud case was shot down by the WI Supreme Court, even though they had a winger majority? Enough said. 

[red viking]

3 hours ago, headshuck said:

 

Dc draino is a total trumpster tool. Farthest thing from objective. 

[jross]

One man talks sense. The other talks nonsense.
Stop making us wince. An ID  costs 900 pence.

[RockLobster]

3 hours ago, jross said:

One man talks sense. The other talks nonsense.
Stop making us wince. An ID  costs 900 pence.

That's just terrible.

Maybe it made sense in your native Chinese language.

Doesn't in English.

You suck at this.

[jross]

Without ID, you must be Chinese.

- Rock Lobster

 

[Caveira]

19 hours ago, red viking said:

After all the whining by the wingers and countless court battles, still zero evidence of any significant voter fraud whatsoever. 

Do cybersecurity experts… need evidence of hacking to improve their security posture?   Or do they try to add measures to prevent future hacking just because?

[ionel]

19 hours ago, red viking said:

After all the whining by the wingers and countless court battles, still zero evidence of any significant voter fraud whatsoever. 

Those nasty left-wingers again.  

“There was a widespread understanding that this election [in 2016] was not on the level,” Clinton said during an interview for the latest episode of The Atlantic’s politics podcast, The Ticket. “We still don’t know what really happened.”

[mspart]

On 1/4/2025 at 8:11 PM, Tripnsweep said:

They vote by mail mostly. They have a tribal ID number and register using that or something.

So essentially you don't know what you are talking about or something. 

This has generated quite the discussion all around.  I appreciate all of the discussion. 

mspart

[mspart]

On 1/5/2025 at 3:16 AM, Tripnsweep said:

They essentially live in a different country. Their way of life existed long before this country did. And you don't like it because it forces our norms on theirs? Give me a ***ducking** break. 

Yes so what you are saying is that this way of life they live is essentially "livin' offa the fatta the lan'".    Surely that is incorrect. 

mspart

[ThreePointTakedown]

Stop me if this has already been said. But ID is needed to register. And not ID in the typical sense of a small plastic card. Sometimes in the form of a birth certificate coupled with a utility bill. These are required to tie you to an address. Which is located inside a district. That district determines which elections are on your particular ballot. 

If you are registered to vote. You have already done the hard part. Proved who you are and where you live. Confirming your address is in essence confirming who you are when you registered. Considering the risk vs reward of trying to fraudulently vote for someone else it is not likely that someone would try to do it. Hint, not many people have. Many have been caught. The numbers of which have not been high enough to be statistically significant enough to sway an election. 

This is what we call a 'Solution in search of a problem'. Everyone knows that forcing people to pay more, just for the opportunity to vote will disenfranchise some. And if the rationale for wanting voter ID laws for one reason is enough then surely it is for this reason too. If even one person is disenfranchised to vote, isn't that too many? 

Many of those people will be poor. Not able to afford to get ID(keeping in mind not everyone drives) or make multiple trips to scarcer and scarcer DMVs. Or the idea of having to wait in longer and longer voting lines, where conveniently enough republicans have enacted laws to no allow them to receive water(what are their reasons for that, btw? To protect your vote from undue influence, BS!) The confess their motives with their actions. Anyone that defends them is benefitting(or convinced they are benefitting, when they clearly aren't) from the tactics and cannot be trusted to honest. 

Long story short. People who, typically, want to pay less in taxes want others to pay more just to participate. All while making themselves believe its for the greater good when we all know it isn't and its been proven. So can we just drop this already? 

[Caveira]

20 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Stop me if this has already been said. But ID is needed to register. And not ID in the typical sense of a small plastic card. Sometimes in the form of a birth certificate coupled with a utility bill. These are required to tie you to an address. Which is located inside a district. That district determines which elections are on your particular ballot. 

If you are registered to vote. You have already done the hard part. Proved who you are and where you live. Confirming your address is in essence confirming who you are when you registered. Considering the risk vs reward of trying to fraudulently vote for someone else it is not likely that someone would try to do it. Hint, not many people have. Many have been caught. The numbers of which have not been high enough to be statistically significant enough to sway an election. 

This is what we call a 'Solution in search of a problem'. Everyone knows that forcing people to pay more, just for the opportunity to vote will disenfranchise some. And if the rationale for wanting voter ID laws for one reason is enough then surely it is for this reason too. If even one person is disenfranchised to vote, isn't that too many? 

Many of those people will be poor. Not able to afford to get ID(keeping in mind not everyone drives) or make multiple trips to scarcer and scarcer DMVs. Or the idea of having to wait in longer and longer voting lines, where conveniently enough republicans have enacted laws to no allow them to receive water(what are their reasons for that, btw? To protect your vote from undue influence, BS!) The confess their motives with their actions. Anyone that defends them is benefitting(or convinced they are benefitting, when they clearly aren't) from the tactics and cannot be trusted to honest. 

Long story short. People who, typically, want to pay less in taxes want others to pay more just to participate. All while making themselves believe its for the greater good when we all know it isn't and its been proven. So can we just drop this already? 

Brother the cray cray in your head is seeping out.  

[mspart]

30 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

Considering the risk vs reward of trying to fraudulently vote for someone else it is not likely that someone would try to do it. Hint, not many people have. Many have been caught. 

Which one is it TPT.   Not many  do it or many have been caught? 

Registering to vote is different than voting at the polling place.  If we need ID for Social Security, ID to enter a federal building, ID to fly, ID to drive, ID to get insurance, ID to hunt, ID to get benefits such as SNAP, Medicare, Pell grants, etc, then requiring ID to vote should not be such a huge deal.   In fact, ID is required to have a bank account, a phone, a energy bill, a loan, etc.   With perhaps a few exceptions noted regarding Indian Nation, which don't hold water really, but ok, any citizen of the USA should have to present an ID to vote. 

mspart

[ionel]

1 hour ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

 Considering the risk vs reward of trying to fraudulently vote for someone else it is not likely that someone would try to do it.  The numbers of which have not been high enough to be statistically significant enough to sway an election. 

 

What was the risk to all those dead Cook County folks and JFK would like a word on the second point.  

[Tripnsweep]

Ok so let's imagine that registering to vote when you aren't eligible to do so, or are registering under somebody else's name. Nobody can really answer this question: What is the incentive to do so?

Because there isn't some high risk high reward. You don't gain anything. When people lie about how masses of illegal immigrants are registering to vote supposedly, I wonder if the people who repeat that lie have suffered brain damage. 

There is no incentive for somebody who isn't eligible to vote, to register to vote. There are only negative possibilities that come from it. People who are here illegally, I don't think they are looking to put their name down on any kind of official government list, with their address and name. That kind of defeats the purpose of them being here and trying to stay under the radar. It actually makes so little sense, I wonder if people who claim this happens regularly forget how to walk and breathe at the same time. 

That must be why only advanced geniuses with investigative powers of perception beyond those of mortal men like @Husker_Du are the only ones aware of this vast conspiracy. 

[Caveira]

2 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

Ok so let's imagine that registering to vote when you aren't eligible to do so, or are registering under somebody else's name. Nobody can really answer this question: What is the incentive to do so?

Because there isn't some high risk high reward. You don't gain anything. When people lie about how masses of illegal immigrants are registering to vote supposedly, I wonder if the people who repeat that lie have suffered brain damage. 

There is no incentive for somebody who isn't eligible to vote, to register to vote. There are only negative possibilities that come from it. People who are here illegally, I don't think they are looking to put their name down on any kind of official government list, with their address and name. That kind of defeats the purpose of them being here and trying to stay under the radar. It actually makes so little sense, I wonder if people who claim this happens regularly forget how to walk and breathe at the same time. 

That must be why only advanced geniuses with investigative powers of perception beyond those of mortal men like @Husker_Du are the only ones aware of this vast conspiracy. 

I’ll be overly simplistic.  If the Ds let you come here illegally.  If they give you free shuyte like iPhones and pre paid debit cards and housing and food.   Do you have any incentive to vote for them?    
 

don’t answer.   I don’t really want to hear the blabber 

[Tripnsweep]

39 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I’ll be overly simplistic.  If the Ds let you come here illegally.  If they give you free shuyte like iPhones and pre paid debit cards and housing and food.   Do you have any incentive to vote for them?    
 

don’t answer.   I don’t really want to hear the blabber 

Except that doesn't happen and it would be against somebody's best interest to do that. If your presence here hinges up on not attracting attention and not breaking the law, then it seems reasonable you wouldn't commit a crime that is easily traceable, there is zero incentive to commit, and would get you removed and declared inadmissible for a decade.