Which Penn State wrestlers will be undefeated going into NCAAs?

[jchapman]

3 hours ago, wrestlingfan22 said:

My guess:

LL drops a close one or two along the way but is number 1 guy in country going into NCAAs

Bartlett drops at least one of the Mendez/Hardy matches

Kasak drops one of his dual/b10 matches along the way

Barr drops one to one of the top 197s

Kerk loses to Gable at B10s

 

Undefeated going into NCAAs. 

SVN

Mess

Haines

CSTAR

 

Carl may have Kerk forfeit in the finals, like he had Rasheed forfeit to Martin in 2019.

[The_KC_Godfather]

3 hours ago, Winners Circle said:

Fair point. I'm not here to say one way or the other. But I was just referring to KC's question about what the odds are that PSU run's a backup out there against KOT. They may do that, but it won't be because of a duck in my opinion.

I’m not sure to be honest; I thought I remembered some cases where they did, but I’m not motivated at the moment to find them..haha! But, it was a legitimate question…not a PSU hater at all.

I guess the question becomes…what are the advantages and disadvantages of ducking KOT? If they go and KOT wins, Haines is the 2 seed at nationals. If he wins, he’s the 1. If Haines doesn’t go (or let’s even say if Keegan doesn’t go)…who gets the 1 seed if they both go undefeated?

[ionel]

1 hour ago, jchapman said:

Carl may have Kerk forfeit in the finals, like he had Rasheed forfeit to Martin in 2019.

Why would he do that?

[Pinnacle]

5 hours ago, TylerDurden said:

I don't think anyone is a solid favorite over O'Toole in folkstyle. I know we all fall into the trap of looking at freestyle results when trying to predict folk matches, but it just doesn't translate cleanly. 

I understand the sentiment. I just think that highly of Haines folkstyle. 

[JeanGuy]

1 hour ago, Pinnacle said:

I understand the sentiment. I just think that highly of Haines folkstyle. 

He seems to have crazy strength. I've seen him pull some legs to get a takedown that didn't look like he had a chance.

[Caveira]

7 hours ago, Winners Circle said:

I am not being sarcastic here, so I hope it doesn't come off that way. But I don't think PSU typically ducks matches. Not many instances come to mind. Am I wrong on that? 

I think psu.  Honest to god is modernizing ducking.   They seem to do it quite a bit.  

[nhs67]

15 hours ago, jchapman said:

Carl may have Kerk forfeit in the finals, like he had Rasheed forfeit to Martin in 2019.

I think the general public is in denial about this being a very real possibility.  I am not one of them.

With the new rules as we, he would then have a loss on his docket, so he would not be undefeated.

[Winners Circle]

15 hours ago, The_KC_Godfather said:

I’m not sure to be honest; I thought I remembered some cases where they did, but I’m not motivated at the moment to find them..haha! But, it was a legitimate question…not a PSU hater at all.

I guess the question becomes…what are the advantages and disadvantages of ducking KOT? If they go and KOT wins, Haines is the 2 seed at nationals. If he wins, he’s the 1. If Haines doesn’t go (or let’s even say if Keegan doesn’t go)…who gets the 1 seed if they both go undefeated?

In my opinion, they are going to #1 and 2 regardless of who wins. In other words, I don't see either of them losing to anyone besides the other, and I see both of them winning their conference. So I don't see it benefitting or hurting either to sit. Could be way off there.

[Winners Circle]

12 hours ago, Caveira said:

I think psu.  Honest to god is modernizing ducking.   They seem to do it quite a bit.  

Can you provide examples? 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, Winners Circle said:

Can you provide examples? 

Probably not.   It’s been discussed at length in the past and too lazy to look for it.   There are ducking threads annually the last 2:3:4:5 years.   

[Winners Circle]

Just now, Caveira said:

Probably not.   It’s been discussed at length in the past and too lazy to look for it.   There are ducking threads annually the last 2:3:4:5 years.   

Not saying you're wrong. I just genuinely can't think of one example where they ducked.

[Caveira]

19 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

Not saying you're wrong. I just genuinely can't think of one example where they ducked.

 

[Winners Circle]

12 minutes ago, Caveira said:

 

You think 4x National Champ, and won his most recent title on one leg (and beat Griffith), ducked someone? You're reaching here. 

[Caveira]

19 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

You think 4x National Champ, and won his most recent title on one leg (and beat Griffith), ducked someone? You're reaching here. 

I’ve heard the argument before.  Yes it’s a duck.  Psu fans repeated that argument ad nauseam in that thread.  
 

The fact that you’re better and don’t wrestle “good:great” competition is a duck.   Psu fans don’t agree because psu can do no wrong.  

brooks ducked beard too.   Y’all will make the same argument so save it.  
 

this is what I meant by psu modernized / normalized ducking.  
 

I mean if you always have the best team.  And your version of a duck is my guy is better than your guy therefore it’s not a duck.   You’ve cornered the market on ducking and keeping your match count down for NCAAs.   I think I put a chart out some time ago showing psu consistently has less matches going into NCAAs vs the rest of the top 10 year in and year out.  

Edited December 11 by Caveira

[Pinnacle]

With the 3 point TD Brooks may have/would have been able to TF Beard last year. 

[Winners Circle]

5 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I’ve heard the argument before.  Yes it’s a duck.  Psu fans repeated that argument ad nauseam in that thread.  
 

The fact that you’re better and don’t wrestle “good:great” competition is a duck.   Psu fans don’t agree because psu can do no wrong.  

brooks ducked beard too.   Y’all will make the same argument so save it.  
 

this is what I meant by psu modernized / normalized ducking.  

I am in no way shape or form a PSU fan. In fact I actually root against them a lot because I think parity is good for college wrestling.

But I'm just saying that I don't think Starocci or staff were scared of Griffith. Just like I doubt Brooks or staff were scared of Brooks. And I think it's ignorant to say otherwise. 

Edited December 11 by Winners Circle

[Caveira]

Just now, Winners Circle said:

I am in no way shape or form a PSU fan. In fact I actually root against because I think parity is good for college wrestling.

But I'm just saying that I don't think Starocci or staff were scared of Griffith. Just like I doubt Brooks or staff were scared of Brooks. And I think it's ignorant to say otherwise. 

So don’t wrestle any marquee matches until NCAAs.   That will surely help grow the sport.   Modern ducking is my opinion.  That opinion won’t change.   You make the 660 mile trip to and from Michigan to not duck Griffith because you weren’t scared.  Ok   Makes no sense to me but ok.  

You’re welcome to your opinion.  That’s fine 

[Winners Circle]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

So don’t wrestle any marquee matches until NCAAs.   That will surely help grow the sport.   Modern ducking is my opinion.  That opinion won’t change.   You make the 660 mile trip to and from Michigan to not duck Griffith because you weren’t scared.  Ok   Makes no sense to me but ok.  

You’re welcome to your opinion.  That’s fine 

Last year in the regular season Starocci wrestled Welsh & Kennedy (both of whom were ranked top 10). Teams they dualed that he did not wrestle against: Michigan, Michigan State (same road-trip), and Rutgers. Do you think he ducked DJ Shannon and Jackson Turley? That's a genuine question, no sarcasm.

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

 

Oh god, you're using a Jimmy thread?

Jimmy's account is legitimately a parody account that trolls Penn State.

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Oh god, you're using a Jimmy thread?

Jimmy's account is legitimately a parody account that trolls Penn State.

 No I’m using a Cstar ducked Griffith thread.  Which Cstar did.   He was healthy.  He was in the building and he didn’t go.   And then he talked shyte after.   

[Wrestleknownothing]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

 No I’m using a Cstar ducked Griffith thread.  Which Cstar did.   He was healthy.  He was in the building and he didn’t go.   And then he talked shyte after.   

Not what he said.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 hour ago, Winners Circle said:

You think 4x National Champ, and won his most recent title on one leg (and beat Griffith), ducked someone? You're reaching here. 

Spencer Lee won a title on "zero legs" and two years later he was pinned by a guy who DNP the next year.  (and Griffith was hurt at nationals too, as was Mekhi)

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

12 minutes ago, Caveira said:

 No I’m using a Cstar ducked Griffith thread.  Which Cstar did.   He was healthy.  He was in the building and he didn’t go.   And then he talked shyte after.   

There is a lot of flu and "abnormal core temps" for PSU guys throughout the year.  Some have been sick multiple times during the course of the year.

It seems to be relatively new.  I don't remember Taylor ever having an abnormal core temp during his career.

Edited December 11 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 hours ago, Winners Circle said:

In my opinion, they are going to #1 and 2 regardless of who wins. In other words, I don't see either of them losing to anyone besides the other, and I see both of them winning their conference. So I don't see it benefitting or hurting either to sit. Could be way off there.

The only benefit would prob be not giving "a folkstyle feel" to the other guy.

Edited December 11 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[nhs67]

2 hours ago, Winners Circle said:

In my opinion, they are going to #1 and 2 regardless of who wins. In other words, I don't see either of them losing to anyone besides the other, and I see both of them winning their conference. So I don't see it benefitting or hurting either to sit. Could be way off there.

Coaches Rank (so if Levi was #1) and Strength of Victory.  Right now Haines would stand to wrestle more in-conference opponents that are Top 30 than KOT.