No discussion re: PSU and IOWA transfers to Rutgers?

[PSUDad97]

4 hours ago, nhs67 said:

Nicky Skeletor was a 0x placer, 1x NQ, and had zero wins at NCAAs when he left for Rutgers.

The only gent on the roster who fits that mold ks Facundo.

He clearly would have been an AA that year at PSU had he been able to wrestle at the NCAAs.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

5 minutes ago, PSUDad97 said:

He clearly would have been an AA that year at PSU had he been able to wrestle at the NCAAs.

Just like Davis?

[1032004]

6 hours ago, nhs67 said:

Nicky Skeletor was a 0x placer, 1x NQ, and had zero wins at NCAAs when he left for Rutgers.

The only gent on the roster who fits that mold ks Facundo.

I believe the “Suriano level” comment was more about his potential, not necessarily what he’s already accomplished.  Although IIRC I saw a poster saying one of the rumor-starter’s comments about the PSU guy was that he was “more accomplished than SVN,” although I did not see that comment personally.  Which would pretty much only leave Haines and Mesenbrink as options, which I doubt.

[nhs67]

2 minutes ago, PSUDad97 said:

He clearly would have been an AA that year at PSU had he been able to wrestle at the NCAAs.

No he wouldn't have.  He was physically incapacitated.

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, PSUDad97 said:

He clearly would have been an AA that year at PSU had he been able to wrestle at the NCAAs.

Even if he was completely healthy, as the 3 seed there was still a 17% probability he does not AA.

Edit: Restated for the Iowa fans in the audience, there was an 83% he AA'd.

Edited December 2 by Wrestleknownothing

[MizzouFan01]

He mentioned Kasak as having trouble keeping up on grades and doesn’t go to or enjoy the classroom. No clue if true or not, but I would imagine Kasak is not the first nor last to fit this description. 

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

22 minutes ago, MizzouFan01 said:

He mentioned Kasak as having trouble keeping up on grades and doesn’t go to or enjoy the classroom. No clue if true or not, but I would imagine Kasak is not the first nor last to fit this description. 

Does Rutgers not have grades or classes?

[CHROMEBIRD]

ASU should on the phone with Kasak rn 

[ionel]

58 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Does Rutgers not have grades or classes?

No

[scourge165]

On 12/2/2024 at 7:52 AM, 1032004 said:

Sorry, didn’t mean this year 

No, I should have looked closer. I thought he was a Sr this year. 

[scourge165]

On 12/2/2024 at 9:20 AM, Truzzcat said:

I think Ross is either going to only play football or try to dual sport. I think that takes PSU of the board for him because I do not see Cael or Franklin investing in a guy that they have to share. Just does not really seem like something that fits either of their philosophies. He is also coming off a pretty serious shoulder injury that he sustained wrestling. I am curious if that causes him to spend less time on the mat simply because he does not want to risk missing time for football. He is a very very special talent though.

I always kinda assume that when a kid has that frame, but I thought he wanted to Wrestle. My "sources" are strictly online comments such as this though, so...IDK.

I would think Keuter would be focusing on FB. If you're that big, that athletic...I mean, you're already tough enough. You just need to spend a few years on an NFL roster, you get a pension, you get a lot of money. More if you're drafted. And if you're kinda borderline, you're mostly a STer so you're not taking that beating. 

 

I can't imagine Ross as a DE in HS though. Again, he looks almost funny out there in his stance. He looks like something is wrong with him, but it's just him...in a stance. 

 

Anyone know exactly what size he is? I'd guess 6'5 225 if not 6'6. A lot of room to add weight to that frame as well. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

16 hours ago, scourge165 said:

I always kinda assume that when a kid has that frame, but I thought he wanted to Wrestle. My "sources" are strictly online comments such as this though, so...IDK.

I would think Keuter would be focusing on FB. If you're that big, that athletic...I mean, you're already tough enough. You just need to spend a few years on an NFL roster, you get a pension, you get a lot of money. More if you're drafted. And if you're kinda borderline, you're mostly a STer so you're not taking that beating. 

 

I can't imagine Ross as a DE in HS though. Again, he looks almost funny out there in his stance. He looks like something is wrong with him, but it's just him...in a stance. 

 

Anyone know exactly what size he is? I'd guess 6'5 225 if not 6'6. A lot of room to add weight to that frame as well. 

Kid I was around when he was growing up (wrestler/football) is in his third NFL year, mostly practice squads.  Making at least $250,000 for about a half year of work and should be getting a little bit of a pension.  When his NFL career is over, he has a degree from a great academic institution. Not a bad way to start your post-academic career.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

16 hours ago, scourge165 said:

I always kinda assume that when a kid has that frame, but I thought he wanted to Wrestle. My "sources" are strictly online comments such as this though, so...IDK.

I would think Keuter would be focusing on FB. If you're that big, that athletic...I mean, you're already tough enough. You just need to spend a few years on an NFL roster, you get a pension, you get a lot of money. More if you're drafted. And if you're kinda borderline, you're mostly a STer so you're not taking that beating. 

 

I can't imagine Ross as a DE in HS though. Again, he looks almost funny out there in his stance. He looks like something is wrong with him, but it's just him...in a stance. 

 

Anyone know exactly what size he is? I'd guess 6'5 225 if not 6'6. A lot of room to add weight to that frame as well. 

I've said this many times before, but if Keuter has the talent/potential to be drafted for the NFL, he absolutely should be focused 100% on football.  Even as a late round draft pick he would make more money on his first contract than he would make in 10 lifetimes as a "professional" wrestler.  Even if he were to win 4 NCAA titles and a gold medal he would be making pennies compared to a NFL LB who play 3 seasons.  There is just absolutely no money in wrestling compared to professional football.

[scourge165]

14 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

I've said this many times before, but if Keuter has the talent/potential to be drafted for the NFL, he absolutely should be focused 100% on football.  Even as a late round draft pick he would make more money on his first contract than he would make in 10 lifetimes as a "professional" wrestler.  Even if he were to win 4 NCAA titles and a gold medal he would be making pennies compared to a NFL LB who play 3 seasons.  There is just absolutely no money in wrestling compared to professional football.

I wouldn't go quite that far. His total compensation would be comparable if he was a late round pick AND if he makes the roster. Most late rd picks get very little GTD money and a Gold Medalist is getting ~500K.

The benefit of the NFL over...the scenario you laid out above would be the benefits and then later on the pensions. Along with the connections. It's also hard to believe you can't eek out a career as a STer. 

But the key is making the roster and sticking around for a few years. That'd probably net you ~2M even as a 7th rd pick after taxes through his first contract. If he's even a rotational edge rusher OR the type of Special Teamer who hands-on, then the gap widens. 

 

[scourge165]

15 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Kid I was around when he was growing up (wrestler/football) is in his third NFL year, mostly practice squads.  Making at least $250,000 for about a half year of work and should be getting a little bit of a pension.  When his NFL career is over, he has a degree from a great academic institution. Not a bad way to start your post-academic career.

Hell no. When you factor in that the initial roster is more like a 69 man roster now with the value placed on the PS, the promotions, the number of times you can protect a guy, IR isn't limited to 1 player coming back(or 2) so teams are more likely to use IR and promote from within...and that's a ~90K pay bump for that week and you're probably not playing much, so not a ton of blows to the brain. 

It's a great deal. It becomes slightly worse of a deal if you're getting 40 snaps at LB or on the DL and then the head trauma comes into it, but...those guys can wear those guardian caps now. They reduce impact so much more than the improved helmets which reduce the impact so much more than the helmets from ~15 years ago, so that's constantly evolving. 

I never understand why a guy goes the Greg Kerkvliet route over the Micah Parsons route even if one is only a 5 year NFL back and the other a LT type clone. 

 

Don't know what Ross would do, but...I do know, it'd be cool to watch him Wrestle from a selfish standpoint. And Cael should be in Franklin's ear telling him to recruit that kid in case he falls out of love with Football, he can make an easy transition over to the Wrestling room!

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

7 hours ago, scourge165 said:

I wouldn't go quite that far. His total compensation would be comparable if he was a late round pick AND if he makes the roster. Most late rd picks get very little GTD money and a Gold Medalist is getting ~500K.

The benefit of the NFL over...the scenario you laid out above would be the benefits and then later on the pensions. Along with the connections. It's also hard to believe you can't eek out a career as a STer. 

But the key is making the roster and sticking around for a few years. That'd probably net you ~2M even as a 7th rd pick after taxes through his first contract. If he's even a rotational edge rusher OR the type of Special Teamer who hands-on, then the gap widens. 

 

 

NFL Minimum Salary: 2024 Contract Rates

• Rookie: $795,000
• 1 Year: $915,000
• 2 Years: $985,000
• 3 Years: $1.055 million
• 4-6 Years: $1.125 million
• 7+ Years: $1.21 million

NFL Base Salary For Veterans

The minimum salary for NFL players with one year of experience is $915,000. 

As seen above, the minimum increases based on how long a player has successfully remained in the NFL.

NFL League Minimum Salary For Next Season

For the 2025 season, the rookie minimum salary will increase to $840,000, while the veteran minimum salary will increase to $960,000.

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[scourge165]

8 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

 

NFL Minimum Salary: 2024 Contract Rates

• Rookie: $795,000
• 1 Year: $915,000
• 2 Years: $985,000
• 3 Years: $1.055 million
• 4-6 Years: $1.125 million
• 7+ Years: $1.21 million

NFL Base Salary For Veterans

The minimum salary for NFL players with one year of experience is $915,000. 

As seen above, the minimum increases based on how long a player has successfully remained in the NFL.

NFL League Minimum Salary For Next Season

For the 2025 season, the rookie minimum salary will increase to $840,000, while the veteran minimum salary will increase to $960,000.

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nfl/nfl-league-minimum-salary-bm07/

Why are you showing me this? I understand exactly how much they make...

 

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But the key is making the roster and sticking around for a few years. That'd probably net you ~2M even as a 7th rd pick after taxes through his first contract. 

A 7th rd pick from last year('23) is going to make ~3.8M over the first 4 years of the deal...but they're not getting much if any GTD money...which is why I said the key is making the roster(that's a 500K-600K difference over PS).

 

And I said I wouldn't go so far as to say what someone like Starocci or Brooks(assuming they go on to win an NC) are making "pennies" as compared to that. 

 

But 3.8M in salary through FOUR years is probably going to come out to ~2M after taxes(agent fees, etc...).

 

I said it made more sense, but you just posted those salaries for what reason exactly?

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, scourge165 said:

Why are you showing me this? I understand exactly how much they make...

 

A 7th rd pick from last year('23) is going to make ~3.8M over the first 4 years of the deal...but they're not getting much if any GTD money...which is why I said the key is making the roster(that's a 500K-600K difference over PS).

 

And I said I wouldn't go so far as to say what someone like Starocci or Brooks(assuming they go on to win an NC) are making "pennies" as compared to that. 

 

But 3.8M in salary through FOUR years is probably going to come out to ~2M after taxes(agent fees, etc...).

 

I said it made more sense, but you just posted those salaries for what reason exactly?

Ya taxes are a ball buster.  They’ll be down to 2 ish off 3.8.   Agent fees at 115k ish.   Call that 1.9.   That’s not enough to get a young kid to retirement.  If they don’t manage that 1.9 well….. or whatever it is they’ll need real employment in a few years.  
 

don’t get me wrong.  That’s great seed $ to start a career but I bet many / lots of them squander the opty