is Richie Figueroa injured?

[Truzzcat]

7 minutes ago, Le duke said:

 

It’s kind of weird that you’re omitting coaches and senior level partners in the case of Lilledahl (Nick Lee, Cody Sanderson, Jordan Conaway) as if there’s no one there to coach him or practice with him.

Ironically, the same guys that got Gilman and RBY to the Olympics.

Oh, and Lilledahl has beaten Spratley the last three times they’ve wrestled…as a high school kid.


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Conoway seems to be up there with Cunningham as the real secret sauce of that room. The guys speak so highly of him technically.

[Husker_Du]

4 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

I know you are not a big margin of victory guy and Luke has at times even in high school just done enough but does Ramos's dominance and Luke having competitive matches with guys I would consider to be more on the round of 16 level make you want to flip those two? I was on Luke coming into this year but I think Matt Ramos when he believes hes the best guy probably is at least for the time being.

touche.

that set of Crystal Ball was done prior to CKLV.

Ramos was impressive there. 

[okokzach]

6 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Minnow reporting Figueroa to Iowa is in the works, but for next year.  Figueroa did post a photo of himself after NCAA’s to x today which was reposted by Zeke.

 

He posted this in the replies. Another L for Minnow?

[BloodRound]

2 hours ago, okokzach said:

Another L for Minnow?

It would be a Christmas miracle if that guy actually took this L instead of spinning it around to fit his narrative.  On that note though, his mental gymnastics are truly something else.

[Gus]

10 hours ago, Le duke said:

 

It’s kind of weird that you’re omitting coaches and senior level partners in the case of Lilledahl (Nick Lee, Cody Sanderson, Jordan Conaway) as if there’s no one there to coach him or practice with him.

Ironically, the same guys that got Gilman and RBY to the Olympics.

Oh, and Lilledahl has beaten Spratley the last three times they’ve wrestled…as a high school kid.


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Not to mention the fact that 125 pounders can wrestle with the 133 and 141 pounders on the team.. which are of course hammers at PSU. 

[MLB9]

12 hours ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

This is pretty tasty. Let me consult the nog and I might take you up if Spencer Lee gets busy streaming games and forgets to respond

I will take the first two comers. Should be interesting, perhaps come down to Saturday night! Merry Christmas 

[MLB9]

13 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

i have Lilledahl as champ in Crystal Ball. it's very close to be the best case scenario for PSU, although in this forecast Davis and Barr do have the ability to earn ~ 5 more points each. 

That would be for sure. Personally, I think Lilledahl’s more likely to not AA than make the finals at this point. I was referencing the early season rankings and even in recent weeks as worst case for Penn State where Davis and especially Barr and Lilledahl were outside the top 8 and even top 20 for Barr if I remember right. I mean at most points since the season started, those three were projected to score around 5 team points cumulatively through the rankings. They’ve been proving themselves and rankings are slowly changing, but I think most people have thought all along that was a minimum scoring line. Not sure who’s all involved where with the publications. 

I noticed Intermat has a 45 point team gap between PSU and Iowa now, which doesn’t factor in bonus points, and which still has Teemer at #1. It’s getting closer to what I believe the difference between the two teams really is, and has been all along.

[Idaho]

On 12/24/2024 at 9:51 AM, MLB9 said:

It’s getting closer to what I believe the difference between the two teams really is, and has been all along.

Its' the same delusion on the board every...single...year....  If this happens and this happens, then Iowa has a shot....and they never do. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

19 minutes ago, Idaho said:

Its' the same delusion on the board every...single...year....  If this happens and this happens, then Iowa has a shot....and they never do. 

In fairness, we were doing the same exercise with Penn State in 2021.

[ionel]

On 12/24/2024 at 9:51 AM, MLB9 said:

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I noticed Intermat has a 45 point team gap between PSU and Iowa now, which doesn’t factor in bonus points, and which still has Teemer at #1. It’s getting closer to what I believe the difference between the two teams really is, and has been all along.

Maybe IM is a bit behind.  WS has it ~80pt and Iowa in 4th.  Bob may be asking for a refund.

[1032004]

18 minutes ago, ionel said:

Maybe IM is a bit behind.  WS has it ~80pt and Iowa in 4th.  Bob may be asking for a refund.

We’ve been over this—WS isn’t including Teemer.

They also include bonus points.  Which is really the bigger reason that Iowa can’t catch PSU even with Figueroa

[ionel]

9 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

We’ve been over this—WS isn’t including Teemer.

They also include bonus points.  Which is really the bigger reason that Iowa can’t catch PSU even with Figueroa

Bonus points count correct?  Is Teemer wrestling?  So add 20pts that still doesn't get them in 2nd.  

[1032004]

34 minutes ago, ionel said:

Bonus points count correct?  Is Teemer wrestling?  So add 20pts that still doesn't get them in 2nd.  

I haven’t seen anyone legitimate say that Teemer won’t be back before the postseason.

I thought the conversation was about adding Figueroa too?  With Teemer + Figueroa they’d be a pretty heavy favorite for 2nd

Wrestlestat really needs to figure out a way to get gunshot recovery into its algorithm 

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[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

Bonus points count correct?  Is Teemer wrestling?  So add 20pts that still doesn't get them in 2nd.  

This is all you need to know:

[ionel]

2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Wrestlestat really needs to figure out a way to get gunshot recovery into its algorithm 

This is correct.  Is it true they recently hired Sam Stoll?

[ionel]

1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

This is all you need to know:

I don't know.  This just doesn't look right.  I prefer to get intel from a wrestleknowsomething. 

[MPhillips]

36 minutes ago, ionel said:

Is it true they recently hired Sam Stoll?

They've had their sights on him and decided to give him a shot...

[Wrestleknownothing]

36 minutes ago, ionel said:

I don't know.  This just doesn't look right.  I prefer to get intel from a wrestleknowsomething. 

Rule of thumb. When talking to a self proclaimed know something, keep your hand on your wallet.

[VakAttack]

On 12/23/2024 at 7:34 PM, MLB9 said:

You don’t really believe that, do you? The current rankings are close to worst case for Penn State with Lilledahl and Davis working up, Barr will be higher in the next rendition too. You could add Figueroa and remove any PSU wrestler of your choice and Iowa still wouldn’t win.

Let’s make a wager to reset the parameters a bit. I’ll give you 70 points(PSU -70), as I expect Penn State to be around 170 again and Iowa 100. $50 or another incentive if you have another suggestion. I pay my debts if it happens unlike Jimmy. No conditions like injuries or other circumstantial things.

I'll take that action.

[Wrestleknownothing]

2 hours ago, ionel said:

I don't know.  This just doesn't look right.  I prefer to get intel from a wrestleknowsomething. 

One more thing to keep in mind is my estimates for PSU tend to be on the low side. They have a tendency to do slightly better than their seeds and my model assumes they match the field (slightly worse for higher seeds).

When comparing across the top teams (at least 40 AAs from 2010 to 2024) it is useful to keep the following in mind.

Penn State tends to have the fewest wrestlers underperform their seed, resulting in slightly outperforming their seed in spite of having the highest average seed. Iowa has had the opposite experience. So you may want to factor that in when handicapping.

[ionel]

16 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

One more thing to keep in mind is my estimates for PSU tend to be on the low side. They have a tendency to do slightly better than their seeds and my model assumes they match the field (slightly worse for higher seeds).

When comparing across the top teams (at least 40 AAs from 2010 to 2024) it is useful to keep the following in mind.

Penn State tends to have the fewest wrestlers underperform their seed, resulting in slightly outperforming their seed in spite of having the highest average seed. Iowa has had the opposite experience. So you may want to factor that in when handicapping.

This is true in the past but that means long term probability will catch up with them.  Thus extremely high probability they will suck this year. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

8 minutes ago, ionel said:

This is true in the past but that means long term probability will catch up with them.  Thus extremely high probability they will suck this year. 

Now you are making a bad assumption that these are random variables that are subject to mean reversion. When has mean reversion ever applied to Cael Sanderson?

[MLB9]

2 hours ago, VakAttack said:

I'll take that action.

You got it Vak, I’ll take one more. Just wondering, if you would/can wkn, what would you set the line at just statistically speaking? I factored in a few other elements, your last post was one of them.

 

[ionel]

1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Now you are making a bad assumption that these are random variables that are subject to mean reversion. When has mean reversion ever applied to Cael Sanderson?

But thats just it, it never has applied to him so he's due for a major crash.  If the stock market were Cael Sanderson investors would think they gotta sell short at some point dont ya think? 

[VakAttack]

4 hours ago, MLB9 said:

You got it Vak, I’ll take one more. Just wondering, if you would/can wkn, what would you set the line at just statistically speaking? I factored in a few other elements, your last post was one of them.

 

If you had said 50 I wouldn't have taken the bet.  I'm not a statistician, though.