Trump creates new "department" whose goal is efficiency and cutting down government waste

[RockLobster]

12 hours ago, Caveira said:

This stuff or stuff like it was already posted above a dozen times.   We get it.  He has contracts with the gov.  

I’ll take this all day vs the shyte show the last 4 years.    

Not true at all. WKN's post was original and quite good.

You attempt to dismiss a post that is a high quality contribution without any factual basis.

Next time, re-read the thread (as I just did) before posting uninformed accusations.

(Unless you're only purpose here is to stir the pot and try to divide us.)

[RockLobster]

11 hours ago, Caveira said:

hmmmmm   Did someone somehow edit my post ?

I’ve done all 3 of the major moves.  I bet this is part of the stuff Elon shut down at twitter 

we often would over estimate projects we just didn’t want to do.  (Fortune 50 company) 

we sometimes spent the remainder of our budget end of year on software we didn’t need…. One time 8 figures worth.   Same fortune 50 company 

in sales we gobble up free software deals in companies q4… similar to the second one but on the receiving end not the giving end.   This was a diff fortune 50 company and a few startups.  

our gov sales team always have some crazy stories about the corruption.  

Ah - now that makes sense.

You're the irresponsible manager with a history of wasteful spending who is gleeful about it.

Cool.

Edited November 15 by RockLobster

[Husker_Du]

1 hour ago, RockLobster said:

Misinformation is a tremendously huge problem in the US (and in other countries as well.)

Remember when the Biden administration announced they were going to create an anti-misinformation group to combat misinformation?

Fox News and the Republicans (in that order) went absolutely nuts against the idea.

They didn't like misinformation either, but they absolutely couldn't accept the Democrats in charge of fixing it.

Do you see all the parallels here, and there are many, bird brain?

This entire thread: "What about government waste?"

Rock Lobster: "Misinformation is a big problem"

[1032004]

7 hours ago, ionel said:

"We are very grateful to the thousands of Americans who have expressed interest in helping us at DOGE. We don't need more part-time idea generators. We need super high-IQ small-government revolutionaries willing to work 80+ hours per week on unglamorous cost-cutting," DOGE wrote. 

"If that's you, DM this account with your CV. Elon & Vivek will review the top 1% of applicants."

Vak?

Well, paying 1 person to work the hours of 2 people is one way to get perceived efficiency I guess.

Also, Lol:

 

[Paul158]

12 hours ago, ionel said:

Yes that brings up another area of inefficiency, the end of fiscal year money.  You see it it government agency, public schools even within decisions of public traded companies.  If they don't spend the money by eofy then they won't be allocated as much next year.  Good time to buy furniture, printers or dole out some small project grants.  If you are good at grant writing this can be easy money.  Basically they are being penalized for being efficient, hence one more reason why we shouldn't expect efficiency in government.

Good point. This is probably billions of dollars. I have had friends who work in remodeling see this first hand. Massive waste of taxpayer money.

[1032004]

I kinda feel bad for Vivek TBH.  He seems like a smart guy, but he spent his whole campaign simping for Trump with the likely hope of a cabinet position, only to be forced to share a role with Elon that’s not even a real cabinet position and that Elon will probably try to make most of the decisions for 

[Husker_Du]

49 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Well, paying 1 person to work the hours of 2 people is one way to get perceived efficiency I guess.

Also, Lol:

 

i used to think you were intelligent. 

yet you're subscribing to the 2 for 1 so must be inefficient and so clearly don't know what a 'department' is.

not to mention neither need the money.

not to mention you're concerned about a twitter setting.

clearly not very smart or authentic. 

[Paul158]

GAO budget for 2025  is 1 billion dollars. They have 3600 employees. It doesn't seem like a very good investment for the taxpayer. Is there a list somewhere of what they are actually accomplishing? I would think an efficient department would easily find 500 billion dollars of waste in fraud in federal government. Being that there are estimates of 1 trillion dollars of waste and fraud in the federal government. I would also think that an efficient department could eliminate all the redundancy spread throughout the federal government while they are at it. That might save us another 400 billion dollars.

[Paul158]

Just watching the resistance on this board to maybe accomplishing something that is way overdue tells me that the Washington DC minions are totally melting down.

[1032004]

42 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

i used to think you were intelligent. 

yet you're subscribing to the 2 for 1 so must be inefficient and so clearly don't know what a 'department' is.

not to mention neither need the money.

not to mention you're concerned about a twitter setting.

clearly not very smart or authentic. 

I don’t really care that there are 2 people leading the department, although I do think it’s funny to joke about it.  Just like it’s funny to joke about them telling people to apply via DM but then the DM’s not actually being open.

I do think Vivek was probably gunning for a more important/official position though.  

My 2 for 1 comment was in relation to the posting saying they’re expecting people to work 80+ hours a week.  Could be wrong but I believe there have been studies done showing that worker productivity declines at that level of hours.

[jross]

53 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

My 2 for 1 comment was in relation to the posting saying they’re expecting people to work 80+ hours a week.  Could be wrong but I believe there have been studies done showing that worker productivity declines at that level of hours.

This isn't about exploiting labor or doing menial labor like mowing the lawn for 80 hours. It's about engaging in creative, knowledge-intensive tasks. They're after the individual who's driven by purpose, who seeks mastery, and values autonomy, willing to go the extra mile for results.

Consider lawyers who work 55 hours a week and then spend another 40 updating Wikipedia for free. That's the spirit they are looking for.

In a corporate setting, they're aiming for the top 1% of performers who exceed expectations, not the 70% who just meet them.

It's not about tracking hours; it's about a dedication to achieve. They want individuals who mirror their own zeal and commitment.  If you're concerned about working hours, that suggests you value more free time.  That is fine; this is not a job for you.

[1032004]

8 minutes ago, jross said:

This isn't about exploiting labor or doing menial labor like mowing the lawn for 80 hours. It's about engaging in creative, knowledge-intensive tasks. They're after the individual who's driven by purpose, who seeks mastery, and values autonomy, willing to go the extra mile for results.

Consider lawyers who work 55 hours a week and then spend another 40 updating Wikipedia for free. That's the spirit they are looking for.

In a corporate setting, they're aiming for the top 1% of performers who exceed expectations, not the 70% who just meet them.

It's not about tracking hours; it's about a dedication to achieve. They want individuals who mirror their own zeal and commitment.  If you're concerned about working hours, that suggests you value more free time.  That is fine; this is not a job for you.

It’s also probably not a job for anyone with a family or with a family that they like

[Wrestleknownothing]

28 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

It’s also probably not a job for anyone with a family or with a family that they like

You may want to be independently wealthy too.

[Caveira]

58 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

It’s also probably not a job for anyone with a family or with a family that they like

I’ve been around driven people.  Folks who found startups.  They love working 80+ hours a week.  It’s what makes them tick.   I suspect Vivek / Elon are precisely those people.  Folks, some folks run to that environment.   Some folks run away.   

[1032004]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I’ve been around driven people.  Folks who found startups.  They love working 80+ hours a week.  It’s what makes them tick.   I suspect Vivek / Elon are precisely those people.  Folks, some folks run to that environment.   Some folks run away.   

Don’t know much about Vivek, but for Elon I’d guess this statement isn’t mutually exclusive from the one of mine you quoted. 

[jross]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

It’s also probably not a job for anyone with a family or with a family that they like

Just depends.

Kid in school and after school sports.

Provider working 55+ through the week, dinner and a game together as a family, weekend time.  Provider sometimes needs to put into more time across a few weeks to get important work done.  

Tradeoffs.

[1032004]

10 minutes ago, jross said:

Just depends.

Kid in school and after school sports.

Provider working 55+ through the week, dinner and a game together as a family, weekend time.  Provider sometimes needs to put into more time across a few weeks to get important work done.  

Tradeoffs.

55+ is much different than 80+

[jross]

Vivek was raised upper middle class.  He was nationally ranked at tennis and a valedictorian in High School.  He graduated summa cum laude at Harvard.  He made partner at a Hedge Fund before starting his own business.  Listen to him speak, the historical knowledge and legal knowledge of America.  That's enough evidence to know he knows how to chop wood and carry water (e.g. 55 to 80 hour weeks when needed).

[1032004]

3 minutes ago, jross said:

Vivek was raised upper middle class.  He was nationally ranked at tennis and a valedictorian in High School.  He graduated summa cum laude at Harvard.  He made partner at a Hedge Fund before starting his own business.  Listen to him speak, the historical knowledge and legal knowledge of America.  That's enough evidence to know he knows how to chop wood and carry water (e.g. 55 to 80 hour weeks when needed).

55+ is much different than 80+.
 

And “when needed” is much different than making it an apparent requirement 

[Caveira]

14 minutes ago, jross said:

Vivek was raised upper middle class.  He was nationally ranked at tennis and a valedictorian in High School.  He graduated summa cum laude at Harvard.  He made partner at a Hedge Fund before starting his own business.  Listen to him speak, the historical knowledge and legal knowledge of America.  That's enough evidence to know he knows how to chop wood and carry water (e.g. 55 to 80 hour weeks when needed).

Hedge funds are notorious for 0 home / family/ life balance…. And it’s why driven people go there.   I once was a 60/70/80 hour a week person when the incentives are there …. No longer would I do that but for a long time I did.  

[WrestlingRasta]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Hedge funds are notorious for 0 home / family/ life balance…. And it’s why driven people go there.   I once was a 60/70/80 hour a week person when the incentives are there …. No longer would I do that but for a long time I did.  

A lot of infidelity, divorce, and suicide in those demographics. 

[jross]

2 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

55+ is much different than 80+

Personally, I can work 55+ without missing family time.  I cannot sustain 80 for more than a few weeks, a couple times a year.  I've done 100 hour weeks a couple of times.  All by choice.  So long as I know my why, and get the rewards for my labor, the tradeoff is worth it.  The golden handcuffs are heavy at times.

[Caveira]

12 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

A lot of infidelity, divorce, and suicide in those demographics. 

I’m not sure what your point is.     Yes.  

Sure.  Often some driven people are crazy.  I understand they are sort of the enemy of the left too…..

[jross]

The mention of 80 hours weekly for two years isn't about strictly enforcing those hours but more about signaling the kind of dedication or work ethic desired in an employee.

[jross]

Results matter more than effort.

The creator's effort matters none to my consumer decision to buy the Ford F150.  Rather my purchase is result driven.  Is it useful for my needs, reliable, affordable?  Sold!

I don't want to pay five workers to stand around the slow/stop sign in the street for two months.  I want the street repaired in 24 hours.  Oh - you have someone that get the work done faster by being smarter without working harder?  Great!  Just get it done, now and well.