Le duke Posted October 16 Posted October 16 (edited) I did this thread last year and there were some really good, well thought out picks. So, which two teams could combine their lineups to beat Penn State in a dual this year? I think Nebraska and Mizzou *might* be able to do it but I'd still lean Penn State. You'd have to get Smith over Lilledahl, then at least two upsets at 141 and 157 to have a chance. And, limit bonus at 165, 184 and 285. Based off of WrestleStat: Nebby/Mizzou vs Penn State 125: Smith/Surtin vs Lilledahl. Smith could beat Lilledahl. 3-0. 133: Van Dee/Moore vs Davis. Davis. 3-3. 141: Edmond/Hardy vs Bartlett. Bartlett, 3-6. 149: Lovett/Gioffre vs SVN. Lovett, 6-6. 157: Conway/Taylor vs Kasak. Kasak, 6-9. 165: Steed/Wilson vs Mesenbrink. MM by MD or TF, 6-13. 174: O'Toole vs Haines. O'Toole, 10-13. 184: Pinto/Hawks vs Starocci. Starocci by MD, 10-17. 197: Allred/Elam vs Barr. Elam, 13-17. 285: Andrews/Nitzel vs Kerkvliet. Kerkvliet by MD, 13-21. Edited October 16 by Le duke
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted October 16 Posted October 16 (edited) Iowa + Ohio State 125 Vinny Kilkeary < Lilledahl 133 Ayala > Davis 141 Mendez > Bartlett 149 Parco = SVN 157 Teemer > Kasak/Facundo 165 Caliendo < Mesenbrink 174 Welsh = Haines 184 Brands < Starocci 197 Buchanan > Barr HWT Feldman < Kerk The combined team is favored in 4 of 10 matches with 2 coinflip matches. Edited October 16 by Jimmy Cinnabon
Hammerlock3 Posted October 16 Posted October 16 (edited) i think i'll leave the generation of lame sycophantic hypotheticals to the Flo bros. Edited October 16 by Hammerlock3 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
nhs67 Posted October 16 Posted October 16 15 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: i think i'll leave the generation of lame sycophantic hypotheticals to the Flo bros. @Le duke is not a Flo Bro. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Hammerlock3 Posted October 16 Posted October 16 1 minute ago, nhs67 said: @Le duke is not a Flo Bro. Don't think I implied she was...nor would I level such as savage insult. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
nhs67 Posted October 16 Posted October 16 32 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: Don't think I implied she was...nor would I level such as savage insult. Ah, I thought you did since they created the thread. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Gus Posted October 16 Posted October 16 OK State/Iowa vs PSU 125 - Sprately = Lilledahl 133- Ayala > Davis 141- Block/Hughes/Jamison < Bartlett 149- Parco = SVN 157- Teemer > Kasak/Facundo 165- Caliendo < Messinbrink 174- Hamiti/Arnold = Haines 184- Plott/Brand < Starocci 197- Buchanan > Barr HWT- Hendrickson = Kerk You would have three strong favorites for PSU, three slight favorites for OKSt/Iowa and four toss up matches. I would lean PSU in all the toss up's however.
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 18 Posted October 18 On 10/16/2024 at 6:49 PM, Gus said: OK State/Iowa vs PSU 125 - Sprately = Lilledahl 133- Ayala > Davis 141- Block/Hughes/Jamison < Bartlett 149- Parco = SVN 157- Teemer > Kasak/Facundo 165- Caliendo < Messinbrink 174- Hamiti/Arnold = Haines 184- Plott/Brand < Starocci 197- Buchanan > Barr HWT- Hendrickson = Kerk You would have three strong favorites for PSU, three slight favorites for OKSt/Iowa and four toss up matches. I would lean PSU in all the toss up's however. I am not buying Hamiti/Arnold=Haines or Hendricksen=Kerkvliet Two guys with championships (and one at the weight) against a bunch of guys wanting. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
nhs67 Posted October 18 Posted October 18 7 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I am not buying Hamiti/Arnold=Haines or Hendricksen=Kerkvliet Two guys with championships (and one at the weight) against a bunch of guys wanting. What about the Parco = SVN when SVN soundly beat him last year? "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Le duke Posted October 18 Author Posted October 18 7 minutes ago, nhs67 said: What about the Parco = SVN when SVN soundly beat him last year? I think people are relying on the ol' "We don't know what SVN will look like coming off a knee injury, therefore guy he beat twice = SVN" thing. Meanwhile, he's doing live goes with Nick Lee, and not wearing a knee brace.
nhs67 Posted October 18 Posted October 18 1 minute ago, Le duke said: I think people are relying on the ol' "We don't know what SVN will look like coming off a knee injury, therefore guy he beat twice = SVN" thing. Meanwhile, he's doing live goes with Nick Lee, and not wearing a knee brace. I am sure a better mind (ahem @Wrestleknownothing) might already have the data, but there aren't (m)any people who improve after their 5th year (6th/7th/8th). Parco lost to four younger wrestlers last year in SVN, Whalen, Watters, and Henson as well as a guy he had beaten previously in Gomez. That said, even if SVN was the same wrestler, or slightly more rusty, I don't think Parco is beating him. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 18 Posted October 18 26 minutes ago, nhs67 said: I am sure a better mind (ahem @Wrestleknownothing) might already have the data, but there aren't (m)any people who improve after their 5th year (6th/7th/8th). Parco lost to four younger wrestlers last year in SVN, Whalen, Watters, and Henson as well as a guy he had beaten previously in Gomez. That said, even if SVN was the same wrestler, or slightly more rusty, I don't think Parco is beating him. On vacation. Maybe next week. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Gus Posted October 18 Posted October 18 2 hours ago, nhs67 said: What about the Parco = SVN when SVN soundly beat him last year? If SVN comes back in the same form he would certainly be considered the favorite. I do think that Parco will benefit from the Iowa room though and could make a small jump in performance. 9 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I am not buying Hamiti/Arnold=Haines or Hendricksen=Kerkvliet Two guys with championships (and one at the weight) against a bunch of guys wanting. I know that Dean Hamiti had a bad NCAA's but the dude put up 11 on Mesenbrink and looked really good in that match. I also think he will make a leap working with coach DT and having the partners that he does not at OKSt. I think he is Tier 1 with KOT and Haines. Wyatt and Greg had a very close match in the semis two years ago at NCAA's. DT was just talking on Flo about working with Hendrickson and how he is now experiencing positions and situations wrestling live in practice that he never had experienced with his training situation at Air Force. Again, Greg should probably be the favorite but are you shocked if Wyatt wins that match?
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted October 18 Posted October 18 5 minutes ago, Gus said: Wyatt and Greg had a very close match in the semis two years ago at NCAA's. DT was just talking on Flo about working with Hendrickson and how he is now experiencing positions and situations wrestling live in practice that he never had experienced with his training situation at Air Force. Again, Greg should probably be the favorite but are you shocked if Wyatt wins that match? Very, very different lifestyle than at Air Force!
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 18 Posted October 18 1 hour ago, Gus said: If SVN comes back in the same form he would certainly be considered the favorite. I do think that Parco will benefit from the Iowa room though and could make a small jump in performance. I know that Dean Hamiti had a bad NCAA's but the dude put up 11 on Mesenbrink and looked really good in that match. I also think he will make a leap working with coach DT and having the partners that he does not at OKSt. I think he is Tier 1 with KOT and Haines. Wyatt and Greg had a very close match in the semis two years ago at NCAA's. DT was just talking on Flo about working with Hendrickson and how he is now experiencing positions and situations wrestling live in practice that he never had experienced with his training situation at Air Force. Again, Greg should probably be the favorite but are you shocked if Wyatt wins that match? In a world where Larry Owings beat Dan Gable, I am not shocked by anything but I would still not say Hendricksen=Kerkvliet until I see Hendricksen=Kerkvliet since I have seen Hendricksen<Kerkvliet at three tournaments in a row. 1 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Winners Circle Posted October 18 Posted October 18 On 10/16/2024 at 8:58 AM, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Iowa + Ohio State 125 Vinny Kilkeary < Lilledahl 133 Ayala > Davis 141 Mendez > Bartlett 149 Parco = SVN 157 Teemer > Kasak/Facundo 165 Caliendo < Mesenbrink 174 Welsh = Haines 184 Brands < Starocci 197 Buchanan > Barr HWT Feldman < Kerk The combined team is favored in 4 of 10 matches with 2 coinflip matches. They wrestled twice in an 8 month period (March and Nov. of 2023) and SVN won 7-2 and 5-1. Hard to say they're equal. 1
SocraTease Posted October 18 Posted October 18 Team Dagestan and Team Iran could provide some good competition for PSU.
Winners Circle Posted October 18 Posted October 18 1 minute ago, SocraTease said: Team Dagestan and Team Iran could provide some good competition for PSU. Not in folkstyle. 1
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 18 Posted October 18 8 hours ago, nhs67 said: I am sure a better mind (ahem @Wrestleknownothing) might already have the data, but there aren't (m)any people who improve after their 5th year (6th/7th/8th). Parco lost to four younger wrestlers last year in SVN, Whalen, Watters, and Henson as well as a guy he had beaten previously in Gomez. That said, even if SVN was the same wrestler, or slightly more rusty, I don't think Parco is beating him. Just realized you don't need me. You can do this using @cowcards website. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Gus Posted October 18 Posted October 18 6 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: In a world where Larry Owings beat Dan Gable, I am not shocked by anything but I would still not say Hendricksen=Kerkvliet until I see Hendricksen=Kerkvliet since I have seen Hendricksen<Kerkvliet at three tournaments in a row. Part of my reasoning is I want to see PSU lose lol. 1
1032004 Posted October 19 Posted October 19 Iowa/Missouri 133 Ayala dec Davis 3-0 141 Bartlett dec Edmond 3-3 149 SVN dec Parco 6-3 PSU 157 Teemer dec Kasak 6-6 165 Mesenbrink tech Caliendo 11-6 PSU 174 O’Toole dec Haines 11-9 184 Starocci dec Brands 14-9 197 Buchanan/Elam dec Barr 14-12 285 Kerk dec Kueter 17-12 125 Surtin fall Lilledahl 18-17 (unlikely but it could happen)
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted October 19 Posted October 19 7 hours ago, Winners Circle said: They wrestled twice in an 8 month period (March and Nov. of 2023) and SVN won 7-2 and 5-1. Hard to say they're equal. Except SVN suffered a major season ending injury since then. That’s why it’s = until we see that SVN is back to form. 1
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 19 Posted October 19 7 hours ago, Gus said: Part of my reasoning is I want to see PSU lose lol. I withdraw my objection, your honor. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
MPhillips Posted October 19 Posted October 19 9 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Just realized you don't need me.
1032004 Posted October 19 Posted October 19 Virginia Tech/Missouri 133 McGonagle dec Davis 3-0 141 Bartlett dec Edmond 3-3 149 Henson dec SVN 6-3 157 Kasak dec Hipolito 6-6 165 Mesenbrink tech Steed 11-6 PSU 174 O’Toole dec Haines 11-9 184 Starocci dec Stewart/Hawks 14-9 197 Elam dec Barr 14-12 285 Kerk dec Mullen 17-12 125 Surtin fall Lilledahl 18-17 (unlikely but it could happen) 1
Tyler Roark Woodrow Wilson, West Virginia Class of 2025 Committed to Buffalo Projected Weight: 133, 141
Everest Ouellette First Flight, North Carolina Class of 2025 Committed to Gardner-Webb Projected Weight: 285
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