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This season there are no returning wrestlers who have a chance to become a four-timer.*

The last time a season started without a returning wrestler who had a chance to become a four-timer was 2010. That was the season Kyle Dake started his epic run through four weights in four years.

Every year since there was at least one guy on a streak.

And how about 2022? We started that season with 7 returning wrestlers who had a shot at becoming four-timers. And three of them did.

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* I am not including Ferrari until I am certain about the ORS he claims.

Freshmen and redshirt freshmen are on a three year run without a title.

Do any of the crop of freshmen or redshirt freshmen have a realistic shot at winning this season?

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Next year: 133/141: Blaze 157/165: PJ Duke I think those two could win 133 and 157 this year, as high school seniors. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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This season there are no returning wrestlers who have a chance to become a four-timer.* The last time a season started without a returning wrestler who had a chance to become a four-timer was 201

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Tsirtsis was a redshirt freshman and Cox was a true freshman in 2014 when they won titles. Tsirtsis wound up going 1, 3, R16, RS, 7 Cox was 1, 5, 1, 1

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I think Lilledahl is pretty far and away the front runner. Kannon webster is coming off a RS at 149 I don't see him winning it this year, but he is probably the most notable RS freshman I can think of. If Zack Ryder somehow ends up as the guy at 174 for PSU I think he deserves a mention. I do not see him beating Keegan, but crazier things have probably happened.

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  On 9/23/2024 at 2:28 PM, Hammerlock3 said:

How did tshirts and cox have a chance at 4? they didn't win as freshmen right?

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Tsirtsis was a redshirt freshman and Cox was a true freshman in 2014 when they won titles.

Tsirtsis wound up going 1, 3, R16, RS, 7

Cox was 1, 5, 1, 1

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  On 9/23/2024 at 2:27 PM, Truzzcat said:

I think Lilledahl is pretty far and away the front runner. Kannon webster is coming off a RS at 149 I don't see him winning it this year, but he is probably the most notable RS freshman I can think of. If Zack Ryder somehow ends up as the guy at 174 for PSU I think he deserves a mention. I do not see him beating Keegan, but crazier things have probably happened.

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I don't know, man.

Watching Facundo roll around with Ryder in various videos, then watching Facundo - Haines at OTT... Ryder will be massive at 174lbs and Haines will be about average sized - at best.  Haines - O'Toole did not have anyone with a clear size advantage and, if anything, Haines was considerably more lean.

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  On 9/23/2024 at 2:27 PM, Truzzcat said:

I think Lilledahl is pretty far and away the front runner. Kannon webster is coming off a RS at 149 I don't see him winning it this year, but he is probably the most notable RS freshman I can think of. If Zack Ryder somehow ends up as the guy at 174 for PSU I think he deserves a mention. I do not see him beating Keegan, but crazier things have probably happened.

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Hard to imagine anyone  winning 4 titles at 125.  @Wrestleknownothing that would be a fun thread.  Stats on which weight class has the most parity in champions since 1998. 

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  On 9/23/2024 at 7:54 PM, PortaJohn said:

Hard to imagine anyone  winning 4 titles at 125.  @Wrestleknownothing that would be a fun thread.  Stats on which weight class has the most parity in champions since 1998. 

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I think he will grow into 133 at some point but fair point since 2010 I think Mcdonough,Delgado,Spencer are the only guys to win 2 or more.

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  On 9/23/2024 at 8:04 PM, Truzzcat said:

I think he will grow into 133 at some point but fair point since 2010 I think Mcdonough,Delgado,Spencer are the only guys to win 2 or more.

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I'd be interested to see how many 125lbers go all 4 years at 125lbs. It seems like the most likely weight to have guys grow out of it and because of that the hardest weight to recruit.

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  On 9/23/2024 at 1:56 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

And how about 2022? We started that season with 7 returning wrestlers who had a shot at becoming four-timers. And three of them did.

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I think you're missing a wrestler for 2022.  Lewis won his title in 2019 then took an Olympic redshirt in 2020.  In 2021 he was competing as a Sophomore, but it was a free year so he still had three years remaining into into 2022.  Because 2021 didn't count no one could have been eliminated between 2021 and 2022, so there were actually 8 wrestlers (Lee, Diakomihalis, Lewis, Ferrari, Carr Griffith, Starocci, and Brooks) with a shot at winning 4 titles going into 2022 NCAAs.

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  On 11/13/2024 at 11:41 PM, fishbane said:

I think you're missing a wrestler for 2022.  Lewis won his title in 2019 then took an Olympic redshirt in 2020.  In 2021 he was competing as a Sophomore, but it was a free year so he still had three years remaining into into 2022.  Because 2021 didn't count no one could have been eliminated between 2021 and 2022, so there were actually 8 wrestlers (Lee, Diakomihalis, Lewis, Ferrari, Carr Griffith, Starocci, and Brooks) with a shot at winning 4 titles going into 2022 NCAAs.

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That was a conscience decision. Notice I do not have Keegan O'Toole on there for 2023 either. If Lewis or O'Toole had won four out of five (and not four in a row), I would have viewed them differently, and not in the same category as guys who won four in a row. Reasonable people could disagree.

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  On 11/14/2024 at 2:42 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

That was a conscience decision. Notice I do not have Keegan O'Toole on there for 2023 either. If Lewis or O'Toole had won four out of five (and not four in a row), I would have viewed them differently, and not in the same category as guys who won four in a row. Reasonable people could disagree.

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You think there are reasonable people on the internet? On this board?

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