Is there a 4-timer out there?

[Wrestleknownothing]

This season there are no returning wrestlers who have a chance to become a four-timer.*

The last time a season started without a returning wrestler who had a chance to become a four-timer was 2010. That was the season Kyle Dake started his epic run through four weights in four years.

Every year since there was at least one guy on a streak.

And how about 2022? We started that season with 7 returning wrestlers who had a shot at becoming four-timers. And three of them did.

* I am not including Ferrari until I am certain about the ORS he claims.

Freshmen and redshirt freshmen are on a three year run without a title.

Do any of the crop of freshmen or redshirt freshmen have a realistic shot at winning this season?

[Truzzcat]

I think Lilledahl is pretty far and away the front runner. Kannon webster is coming off a RS at 149 I don't see him winning it this year, but he is probably the most notable RS freshman I can think of. If Zack Ryder somehow ends up as the guy at 174 for PSU I think he deserves a mention. I do not see him beating Keegan, but crazier things have probably happened.

[Hammerlock3]

How did tshirts and cox have a chance at 4? they didn't win as freshmen right?

[Wrestleknownothing]

6 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

How did tshirts and cox have a chance at 4? they didn't win as freshmen right?

Tsirtsis was a redshirt freshman and Cox was a true freshman in 2014 when they won titles.

Tsirtsis wound up going 1, 3, R16, RS, 7

Cox was 1, 5, 1, 1

Edited September 23 by Wrestleknownothing

[Wrestleknownothing]

The only one who did not win as a freshman was Brooks.

[CowboyYe2024]

aj will win at most one more title, at hwt

[dragit]

6 minutes ago, CowboyYe2024 said:

aj will win at most one more title, at hwt

Emphasis on "at most"

[nhs67]

4 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

I think Lilledahl is pretty far and away the front runner. Kannon webster is coming off a RS at 149 I don't see him winning it this year, but he is probably the most notable RS freshman I can think of. If Zack Ryder somehow ends up as the guy at 174 for PSU I think he deserves a mention. I do not see him beating Keegan, but crazier things have probably happened.

I don't know, man.

Watching Facundo roll around with Ryder in various videos, then watching Facundo - Haines at OTT... Ryder will be massive at 174lbs and Haines will be about average sized - at best.  Haines - O'Toole did not have anyone with a clear size advantage and, if anything, Haines was considerably more lean.

[Crotalus]

Technically, O'Toole had a chance at four at the beginning of the 22/23 and 23/24 seasons, even though he did not win as a true freshman.

[PortaJohn]

5 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

I think Lilledahl is pretty far and away the front runner. Kannon webster is coming off a RS at 149 I don't see him winning it this year, but he is probably the most notable RS freshman I can think of. If Zack Ryder somehow ends up as the guy at 174 for PSU I think he deserves a mention. I do not see him beating Keegan, but crazier things have probably happened.

Hard to imagine anyone  winning 4 titles at 125.  @Wrestleknownothing that would be a fun thread.  Stats on which weight class has the most parity in champions since 1998. 

[Truzzcat]

9 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Hard to imagine anyone  winning 4 titles at 125.  @Wrestleknownothing that would be a fun thread.  Stats on which weight class has the most parity in champions since 1998. 

I think he will grow into 133 at some point but fair point since 2010 I think Mcdonough,Delgado,Spencer are the only guys to win 2 or more.

[Wrestleknownothing]

24 minutes ago, Crotalus said:

Technically, O'Toole had a chance at four at the beginning of the 22/23 and 23/24 seasons, even though he did not win as a true freshman.

good point. missed that one.

Edited September 23 by Wrestleknownothing

[ionel]

6 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

 * I am not including Ferrari until I am certain about the ORS he claims.

 

3 hours ago, CowboyYe2024 said:

aj will win at most one more title, at hwt

How are we defining 4-timer?  If kicked out of 4 universities counts then I think the focus still has a shot.  

[Wrestleknownothing]

31 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Hard to imagine anyone  winning 4 titles at 125.  @Wrestleknownothing that would be a fun thread.  Stats on which weight class has the most parity in champions since 1998. 

Ask and ye shall receive

[jchapman]

18 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

good point. missed that one.

It's interesting that six of these wrestlers never won another title (Ferrari still to be determined).

[Wrestleknownothing]

4 minutes ago, jchapman said:

It's interesting that six of these wrestlers never won another title (Ferrari still to be determined).

Yes, but you also have to put an asterisk next to Hall on that front.

[JimmyCinnabon]

16 hours ago, Truzzcat said:

I think he will grow into 133 at some point but fair point since 2010 I think Mcdonough,Delgado,Spencer are the only guys to win 2 or more.

I'd be interested to see how many 125lbers go all 4 years at 125lbs. It seems like the most likely weight to have guys grow out of it and because of that the hardest weight to recruit.

[Broomstick]

nevermind

 

Edited September 24 by Broomstick

[jchapman]

18 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Yes, but you also have to put an asterisk next to Hall on that front.

Agreed.  Had he not redshirted in middle school, he would have had four opportunities at the NCAA tournament.

[fishbane]

On 9/23/2024 at 9:56 AM, Wrestleknownothing said:

* I am not including Ferrari until I am certain about the ORS he claims.

Does Steveson's return settle this? 

[Wrestleknownothing]

55 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Does Steveson's return settle this? 

Sadly, I think it does.

[fishbane]

On 9/23/2024 at 9:56 AM, Wrestleknownothing said:

And how about 2022? We started that season with 7 returning wrestlers who had a shot at becoming four-timers. And three of them did.

I think you're missing a wrestler for 2022.  Lewis won his title in 2019 then took an Olympic redshirt in 2020.  In 2021 he was competing as a Sophomore, but it was a free year so he still had three years remaining into into 2022.  Because 2021 didn't count no one could have been eliminated between 2021 and 2022, so there were actually 8 wrestlers (Lee, Diakomihalis, Lewis, Ferrari, Carr Griffith, Starocci, and Brooks) with a shot at winning 4 titles going into 2022 NCAAs.

[Wrestleknownothing]

14 hours ago, fishbane said:

I think you're missing a wrestler for 2022.  Lewis won his title in 2019 then took an Olympic redshirt in 2020.  In 2021 he was competing as a Sophomore, but it was a free year so he still had three years remaining into into 2022.  Because 2021 didn't count no one could have been eliminated between 2021 and 2022, so there were actually 8 wrestlers (Lee, Diakomihalis, Lewis, Ferrari, Carr Griffith, Starocci, and Brooks) with a shot at winning 4 titles going into 2022 NCAAs.

That was a conscience decision. Notice I do not have Keegan O'Toole on there for 2023 either. If Lewis or O'Toole had won four out of five (and not four in a row), I would have viewed them differently, and not in the same category as guys who won four in a row. Reasonable people could disagree.

[JimmyCinnabon]

1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

That was a conscience decision. Notice I do not have Keegan O'Toole on there for 2023 either. If Lewis or O'Toole had won four out of five (and not four in a row), I would have viewed them differently, and not in the same category as guys who won four in a row. Reasonable people could disagree.

You think there are reasonable people on the internet? On this board?

[Wrestleknownothing]

30 minutes ago, JimmyCinnabon said:

You think there are reasonable people on the internet? On this board?

there is at least one