Olympics: men boxing cs women?

[WrestlingRasta]

1 minute ago, 1032004 said:

“The IBA” has not stated this.  An individual did.

A corrupt individual who wouldn’t provide any documented results.  
 

People don’t understand, (or don’t want to understand depending on what kind of outcome they were hoping for), but when Bert Kreischer said “F that bitch, this is Russia”……that shit is real. 

[jross]

1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I chuckle every time you use the word evidence incorrectly. 

Your last couple comments are evidence that you are not as smart as you think you are.

Evidence: The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

[jross]

1 hour ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Appreciate the article, however there is nothing in there that hasn’t already been discussed in this thread.  Not sure what you’re trying to hold on to.  

The article does not draw conclusions or force an opinion on the reader.  It is fairly comprehensive in what is discussed.  Sarah Jacoby did a nice job.  That is all.

[WrestlingRasta]

4 minutes ago, jross said:

The article does not draw conclusions or force an opinion on the reader.  It is fairly comprehensive in what is discussed.  Sarah Jacoby did a nice job.  That is all.

That’s an interesting statement there. But what I think is important is to differentiate is what is opinion and what is proven facts, as it relates to this situation.  There are a lot of facts available.  There are also a lot of opinions out there that doesn’t exactly square with the facts presented.  

[Wrestleknownothing]

25 minutes ago, jross said:

Your last couple comments are evidence that you are not as smart as you think you are.

Evidence: The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

So what fact do you have? It is a fact that a single person made a claim that something was true while also providing zero of that thing you pretend to know, evidence, that his claim is true. It is not a fact that his claim is true. You, however, want to belive his claim so bad that you are willing to ignore any other facts, like the organization he heads is so corrupt that another highly corrupted organization found their level of corruption to be a bridge too far.

[jross]

1 hour ago, WrestlingRasta said:

A corrupt individual who wouldn’t provide any documented results.  

People don’t understand, (or don’t want to understand depending on what kind of outcome they were hoping for), but when Bert Kreischer said “F that bitch, this is Russia”……that shit is real. 

The decision to disqualify was made by the IBA secretary general and the the board ratified that move. The acting Algerian ambassador was present at the DQ meeting during the 2023 event.  Minutes are available to read.

• Both athletes failed the same test in 2022, and the results came back after the event conclusion.
• IBA Secretary General and CEO explained that 2023 testing was conducted upon the request of the
  Technical Delegate and Medical Jury of the Championships. The results became available in
  seven days and the IBA Secretary General and CEO, acting on behalf of IBA, notified the
  athletes immediately about their disqualification, giving them twenty-one days to appeal the
  decision to CAS. 
• Mr. Yerolimpos confirmed that IBA has the results from two independent laboratories in two different countries at its disposal, both of which indicate that the athletes do not meet one of the eligibility criteria to continue competing at the Championships
• Mr Adel Bouda, Acting Ambassador of Algeria in New Delhi, was invited to present the position of the Algerian side and requested a second opinion on the issue.
• The proposal to ratify the decision taken by the IBA Secretary General and CEO on behalf of IBA to disqualify Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting from the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships was approved by the majority vote with 1 abstention by Mr. Abdeljaouad Belhaj and 1 vote against by Mr. Jose Laureano.
• The New Delhi lab reports for both Khelif and Lin say the same thing:
  • Result Summary: “Abnormal”
  • Interpretation: “Chromosomal analysis reveals Male karyotype.”
  • A karyotype means an individual’s complete set of chromosomes. Fem

What's really shitty is that this XY requirement was only formally added to the IBA technical rules after the 2023 incident.  The IOC is critical of the IBA governance.  The IOC definition of a woman matches the passport and they are unwilling to consider the IBA definition that XY challenges the definition of a woman.

Logical

• IBA leadership might have had unethical reasoning and poor timing to DQ an athlete for their test results.
• The IOC is pissed because they care about the boxer.  Their stance is that this boxer was born a woman, raised a woman, passport say woman, has boxed as a woman, etc.  They do not believe the IBA has the right motives and the credentials to newly define what a woman is.
• That the athletes did not appeal to completion with the Swiss Court of Arbitration for Sport, who (CAS) is criticized for being too influenced by the IOC, because the (JROSS says obvious assumption) athletes know they would not win.

Illogical

• That IBA leadership (multiple people) lied that athletes had male karyotype (XY) test results (easily disprovable).

IBA corruption wouldn't be with the test results... that is too big of a whopper and too easy to disprove... it would be with the governance around it.  Some of y'all are missing the nuance.

[WrestlingRasta]

It’s interesting that supposedly failed the same test in 2022. Yet was able to compete in and keep the medals from 2022, 2023  continentals, enter the 2023 worlds and compete, only until she defeated a couple Russians.  
 

All that needs to be said has been said here.  If you want to put that much weight into a known corrupt group of Russians, you are certainly entitled to.  That’s the great thing we have here in the US. 
 

Enjoy the Games.  

[1032004]

2 hours ago, jross said:

 

• The New Delhi lab reports for both Khelif and Lin say the same thing:
  • Result Summary: “Abnormal”
  • Interpretation: “Chromosomal analysis reveals Male karyotype.”
  • A karyotype means an individual’s complete set of chromosomes. Fem

 

Is this in the minutes you’re referencing?

[jross]

5 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Is this in the minutes you’re referencing?

The test result is not listed verbatim in the minutes.  That piece comes from this article: https://www.3wiresports.com/articles/2024/8/3/0d4ucn50bmvbndhhqjohaneccoqueq

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PARIS – The athlete who has ignited a worldwide controversy in Olympic women’s boxing was disqualified from the 2023 International Boxing Assn. world championships in New Delhi after two tests, one in India amid that tournament and a prior test in Turkey in May 2022, “concluded the boxer’s DNA was that of a male consisting of XY chromosomes,” according to correspondence the IBA sent in June 2023 – more than a year ago – to the International Olympic Committee.

The June 5, 2023, letter, spotlighting Algeria’s Imane Khelif, reads, “This situation epitomizes the importance of protecting safe sport, and the integrity of sport in which the Olympic Movement is jointly committed to.”

3 Wire Sports has seen the letter and the tests.

...

IBA minutes from March 25, 2023, the day before that tournament closed, indicate the results of the 2022 worlds tests “were received only upon the conclusion of the event, hence the athletes were not disqualified back then.”

Again, the next world championships would be in March 2023 in New Delhi. Why were both athletes allowed to take part?

“Another test was not possible to conduct when the athletes were outside IBA control until they arrived to New Delhi,” the minutes read.

In New Delhi, another test for each, “to reconfirm the findings of the initial test, which it did,” according to the June 2023 letter the IBA sent to the IOC.

The New Delhi lab reports for both Khelif and Lin say the same thing:

Result Summary: “Abnormal”

Interpretation: “Chromosomal analysis reveals Male karyotype.”

A karyotype means an individual’s complete set of chromosomes. Females have XX chromosomes, males XY.

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To continue down the Russian conspiracy thread, one might ask

1. Is Alan Abrahamson lying about seeing the test results?
2. Is Alan Abrahamson lying about the test results were?
3. Was Alan Abrahamson shown fabricated test results?

https://x.com/alanabrahamson

 

[WrestlingRasta]

I can see now that the big miss is in not having any understanding how the IBA, and particularly in conjunction with the Russian federation, operates.  And without that understanding, I can see why we would put our faith into what the Russian officials say, but do not show. 

[WrestlingRasta]

 

Here we go again…

[jross]

Nothing to see here

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In the 800m women’s race, Caster Semenya of South Africa took home gold, with Francine Niyonsaba of Burundi placing silver and Margaret Nyairera Wambui of Kenya finishing with bronze. All three of the athletes have Differences of Sexual Development (DSD) and while they are recognized as “female” legally, they possess XY chromosomes and are biologically male.

https://reduxx.info/an-injustice-former-canadian-olympic-head-coach-speaks-out-against-results-of-2016-olympics-calls-for-sex-segregated-sport/

[BobDole]

22 hours ago, jross said:

The article does not draw conclusions or force an opinion on the reader.  It is fairly comprehensive in what is discussed.  Sarah Jacoby did a nice job.  That is all.

That didn't last long.

1 hour ago, jross said:

Nothing to see here

https://reduxx.info/an-injustice-former-canadian-olympic-head-coach-speaks-out-against-results-of-2016-olympics-calls-for-sex-segregated-sport/

 

[Le duke]

Nothing to see here

In the 800m women’s race, Caster Semenya of South Africa took home gold, with Francine Niyonsaba of Burundi placing silver and Margaret Nyairera Wambui of Kenya finishing with bronze. All three of the athletes have Differences of Sexual Development (DSD) and while they are recognized as “female” legally, they possess XY chromosomes and are biologically male.

https://reduxx.info/an-injustice-former-canadian-olympic-head-coach-speaks-out-against-results-of-2016-olympics-calls-for-sex-segregated-sport/

You’re talking about this like it’s new. Welcome to 2016.

In 2018, she was effectively banned from competition.

I wrote about her case nearly 80 posts ago.


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[jross]

1 hour ago, Le duke said:

https://reduxx.info/an-injustice-former-canadian-olympic-head-coach-speaks-out-against-results-of-2016-olympics-calls-for-sex-segregated-sport/

You’re talking about this like it’s new. Welcome to 2016.

In 2018, she was effectively banned from competition.

I wrote about her case nearly 80 posts ago.

The story adds that both the second and third place finishers also were 'female' with XY chromosomes.  The best XX took fourth place.

Edited August 4 by jross

[WrestlingRasta]

Imane Khelif is in the semifinals.  She is guaranteed a medal.

[Husker_Du]

On 8/4/2024 at 3:16 AM, WrestlingRasta said:

 

Here we go again…

who is this, Rasta?

i'm not familiar with this person/story

[WrestlingRasta]

57 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

who is this, Rasta?

i'm not familiar with this person/story

That was a sarcastic joke.  It's a dude from Egypt

Edited August 5 by WrestlingRasta

[jross]

hmmm

the athletes signed off on their test results dq

https://www.3wiresports.com/articles/2024/8/5/fa9lt6ypbwx5su3z20xxnfzgtao0gy

[WrestlingRasta]

When you're digging so hard, to lay in bed with (Russian) IBA.  Did you see their attempt at saving face with that 'press conference'......it was entertaining.   

Edited August 6 by WrestlingRasta

[jross]

the bubble is thick

[red viking]

The wingers should be  ashamed of themselves for jumping to conclusions and attacking this woman. The Olympics should have been a glorious moment in her life but instead the wingers have turned it into a nightmare with their bigotry. I'm hereby requesting apologies from all of you. 

[red viking]

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/paris-2024-summer-olympics/olympics-boxing-imane-khalif-xy-chromosome-italian-boxer-quit/5662035/

[jross]

[Bigbrog]

It's absolutely amazing how people seek out and trying to make everything a boogeyman so someone is offended or hurt...victim mentality is truly a mental health issue.