KLCarnegieTech_1969 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) Your comment is well taken. I was getting a little ahead of myself. I still think Matthews is a dark horse. He won't get a great seed. He is 14-9 and is going to be a bracket buster. As far as Yonger, Beard and Henson, they are legitimate contenders. Edited February 28 by KLCarnegieTech_1969 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 7 minutes ago, WrestlingFan89 said: but I wouldn’t expect you to know this. Nor should you... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 My lowest ranked (intermat rankings) guys at each weight with a decent shot at making the finals: 125- #19 Richie Figueroa 133- #3 Daton Fix 141- #14 Cole Matthews 149- #6 Casey Swiderski 157- #15 Brayton Lee 165- #5 Mitchell Mesenbrink 174- #11 Rocco Welsh 184- #8 Bennett Berge 197- #11 Zach Glazier HWT- #6 Lucas Davison 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, Gus said: My lowest ranked (intermat rankings) guys at each weight with a decent shot at making the finals: This is an entirely different thread... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 39 minutes ago, KLCarnegieTech_1969 said: Your comment is well taken. I was getting a little ahead of myself. I still think Matthews is a dark horse. He won't get a great seed. He is 14-9 and is going to be a bracket buster. As far as Yonger, Beard and Henson, they are legitimate contenders. Will be interesting to see where Cole is seeded after the ACC tournament. He has been shaky this year and yeah if he gets seeded in the mid teens and makes a run placing then that's a good dark horse pick I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 54 minutes ago, WrestlingFan89 said: West Virginia is in the Big12, but I wouldn’t expect you to know this. Built in excuse 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 17 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Will be interesting to see where Cole is seeded after the ACC tournament. He has been shaky this year and yeah if he gets seeded in the mid teens and makes a run placing then that's a good dark horse pick You just gave me an idea for a new contest. Call it The Dark Horse Race. Or the Dark Horse Derby? Whatever. We have time to workshop that. Rules: After the seeds come out, pick four wrestlers seeded 17 or below to AA. Points awarded for the difference between their seed and their finish. (I will work out something for finishes in a range). Bonus points of some sort for an actual AA. 4 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanOfPurdueWrestling Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 I hope to see Joey Blaze beating some folks seeded higher than him. 1 I am very active on X: https://x.com/WrestlingSNL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoney Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 19 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: i'm bewildered by the people some are willing to label "dark horse". new rule: every post involving darkhorse must start by defining criteria for nominating and excluding darkhorses from the conversation. Anything less and we are all talking to walls, which incidentally is drastically less entertaining than talking to our laptop screeens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, jmoney said: new rule: every post involving darkhorse must start by defining criteria for nominating and excluding darkhorses from the conversation. Anything less and we are all talking to walls, which incidentally is drastically less entertaining than talking to our laptop screeens wait ... what are you talking about? 2 1 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 5 minutes ago, jmoney said: new rule: every post involving darkhorse must start by defining criteria for nominating and excluding darkhorses from the conversation. Anything less and we are all talking to walls, which incidentally is drastically less entertaining than talking to our laptop screeens yeah I feel like you are going for something but i don't know what. 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truzzcat Posted February 28 Author Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, PortaJohn said: Will be interesting to see where Cole is seeded after the ACC tournament. He has been shaky this year and yeah if he gets seeded in the mid teens and makes a run placing then that's a good dark horse pick hes going to be an absolute nightmare to seed with wins over mendez,lachlan,jack,crook. I cannot name someone off the top of my head with better wins but he has a lot of really bad losses too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: You just gave me an idea for a new contest. Call it The Dark Horse Race. Or the Dark Horse Derby? Whatever. We have time to workshop that. Rules: After the seeds come out, pick four wrestlers seeded 17 or below to AA. Points awarded for the difference between their seed and their finish. (I will work out something for finishes in a range). Bonus points of some sort for an actual AA. Will we be capped at a certain amount when we draft? Higher seeds worth more? And Richie Figs should be eliminated from the draft pool or any 125 pounder for that matter. I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 7 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Will we be capped at a certain amount when we draft? Higher seeds worth more? And Richie Figs should be eliminated from the draft pool or any 125 pounder for that matter. I am open to ideas. Another thought would to expand it to ten picks, one per weight. 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randyfoxwell Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Is Aaron Brooks considered a dark horse? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 3 minutes ago, randyfoxwell said: Is Aaron Brooks considered a dark horse? yeah he lost to marcus coleman last year, got seriously exposed by Valencia...I've got the feeling he is ready to make a run though. 2 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, jmoney said: Anything less and we are all talking to walls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 47 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I am open to ideas. Another thought would to expand it to ten picks, one per weight. Thought we were talking about "Biggest Darkhorse." I'm beginning to understand this "darkhorse" thing, thanks to @jmoney, am assuming "biggest" means HWT. 1 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 125 Blake West - Northern IL 125 Eli Griffin - Cal Baptist 149 Caleb Tyus - Southern IL 1 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I am open to ideas. Another thought would to expand it to ten picks, one per weight. I like the idea of pick 5 and put in ranked order of what you think is most likely, this will break any ties. We don't expect a dark horse from each weight. The pick 5 also allows you to pick more than one from a weight. Some might want to pick all 5 from 125lb. 1 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 17 minutes ago, ionel said: I like the idea of pick 5 and put in ranked order of what you think is most likely, this will break any ties. We don't expect a dark horse from each weight. The pick 5 also allows you to pick more than one from a weight. Some might want to pick all 5 from 125lb. 125 should be excluded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Just now, 1032004 said: 125 should be excluded nah thats the fun weight, go all in on 125! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 9 minutes ago, ionel said: nah thats the fun weight, go all in on 125! but then it'll get jinxed and everyone will wrestle to their seed I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 5 hours ago, PortaJohn said: If the tournament was seeded today the lowest seed with the highest potential would be Richard Figueroa. No one is a dark horse at 125 (particularly the guy who went undefeated in redshirt last year including a win over the current #1), but kinda to @ionel’s point, while Figueroa is probably the lowest ranked guy with the best chance of winning, I wouldn’t say he has the highest potential. Among guys ranked below him on both Intermat & Flo, I’d give all of the below a shot to win: Peterson (22/20) Sotelo (23/26) Molton (20/29) Palmer (25/UR) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul158 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 2 hours ago, ionel said: Thought we were talking about "Biggest Darkhorse." I'm beginning to understand this "darkhorse" thing, thanks to @jmoney, am assuming "biggest" means HWT. that would be the Nebraska heavyweight Hutmacher . He cut down from 335 pounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnathon McGinty St. Joseph's Regional, New Jersey Class of 2026 Committed to Oklahoma Projected Weight: 125, 133
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