GreatWhiteNorth Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 It is absolutely nuts that Trump is begging everyone for donations at every turn. Take time to consider other billionaires. Forbes Billionaires 2023: The Richest People In The World Not something Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffett, Larry Page, Steve Ballmer, and Mark Zuckerberg would do. Trump begs for money because he's nothing like the previously mentioned people who are extremely successful. It isn't a pretty sight - but the fact is that Trump is a loser. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 10 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said: It is absolutely nuts that Trump is begging everyone for donations at every turn. Take time to consider other billionaires. Forbes Billionaires 2023: The Richest People In The World Not something Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffett, Larry Page, Steve Ballmer, and Mark Zuckerberg would do. Trump begs for money because he's nothing like the previously mentioned people who are extremely successful. It isn't a pretty sight - but the fact is that Trump is a loser. No worries once he sells 1M of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshuck Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 you F'IN idiots awake yet? 1 1 TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRasta Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 6 hours ago, Husker_Du said: you F'IN idiots awake yet? ^ Evidently this one is awake but not aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 7 hours ago, WrestlingRasta said: yeah, you're missing the entire point TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 This fine just handed to Trump is an egregious miscarriage of justice. In the trial, the banks were queried if they were harmed. They said no and that they would do business with Trump again. So no one was harmed. You don't levy a civil fine of this size for no one being harmed. It is a gross miscarriage of justice, weaponizing the justice system to get rid of people you don't want around. Now with this judgement, other business types are on notice that they too could be targeted if this ruling stands. In addition, it was apparent from the beginning that the judge was antagonistic to Trump and did not allow certain evidence Trump wanted to bring up but allowed the state to do so for everything. It was like muzzling the defendant. That should not happen in any judicial case. I'm not talking about outbursts. I'm talking about evidence not allowed, explanations not allowed to be expanded on while on the witness stand. The absolute size of the award to the state (who had no harm done to it either) is the best indication of the attitude of the judge in this case. A Trump hater doing to Trump what he wanted, rather than an impartial judge. Because the banks received no harm, this case should have been thrown out before it started. mspart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRasta Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 31 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: yeah, you're missing the entire point Not really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 There's a GIF for everything!! mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, mspart said: This fine just handed to Trump is an egregious miscarriage of justice. In the trial, the banks were queried if they were harmed. They said no and that they would do business with Trump again. So no one was harmed. You don't levy a civil fine of this size for no one being harmed. It is a gross miscarriage of justice, weaponizing the justice system to get rid of people you don't want around. Now with this judgement, other business types are on notice that they too could be targeted if this ruling stands. In addition, it was apparent from the beginning that the judge was antagonistic to Trump and did not allow certain evidence Trump wanted to bring up but allowed the state to do so for everything. It was like muzzling the defendant. That should not happen in any judicial case. I'm not talking about outbursts. I'm talking about evidence not allowed, explanations not allowed to be expanded on while on the witness stand. The absolute size of the award to the state (who had no harm done to it either) is the best indication of the attitude of the judge in this case. A Trump hater doing to Trump what he wanted, rather than an impartial judge. Because the banks received no harm, this case should have been thrown out before it started. mspart Why would any business remain in NY when this could happen to them just because ???? Edited February 19 by JimmyBT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) When you consider what the NY court did, to this interview posted by jross: you get an idea of where it’s going. It’s no longer rule of law, it’s rule of man. Edited February 19 by Offthemat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) And this is happening right before our eyes. No wonder German citizens felt betrayed by the Nazis who gained control of everything pretty much without notice. https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html "What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing. "What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it. "This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter. mspart Edited February 19 by mspart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 9 minutes ago, mspart said: And this is happening right before our eyes. No wonder German citizens felt betrayed by the Nazis who gained control of everything pretty much without notice. https://press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html "What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing. "What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it. "This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter. mspart Then there are those who cheer it on, “stop breaking the law” that only applies to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, mspart said: This fine just handed to Trump is an egregious miscarriage of justice. In the trial, the banks were queried if they were harmed. They said no and that they would do business with Trump again. So no one was harmed. You don't levy a civil fine of this size for no one being harmed. It is a gross miscarriage of justice, weaponizing the justice system to get rid of people you don't want around. Now with this judgement, other business types are on notice that they too could be targeted if this ruling stands. In addition, it was apparent from the beginning that the judge was antagonistic to Trump and did not allow certain evidence Trump wanted to bring up but allowed the state to do so for everything. It was like muzzling the defendant. That should not happen in any judicial case. I'm not talking about outbursts. I'm talking about evidence not allowed, explanations not allowed to be expanded on while on the witness stand. The absolute size of the award to the state (who had no harm done to it either) is the best indication of the attitude of the judge in this case. A Trump hater doing to Trump what he wanted, rather than an impartial judge. Because the banks received no harm, this case should have been thrown out before it started. mspart No one was harmed when I ran a stop sign, but that didn't convince the cop to let me off. Break the law, get punished. I thought y'all were the "law and order" guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Did he break the law? In his own contract with the bank, he stipulates that the bank should do their own due diligence on the numbers his firm provided. Judge Engoron would not allow that to be admissible in court. Didn't want to hear about it. He had his agenda and we now know what it was. Very clearly. He wanted to punish Trump and did so with an unprecedented gargantuan fine that will be overturned on appeal. The banks had no problem with Trump or the deal they made. They got paid and were whole. Trump did his business with the loans and was whole. But a DA that ran on "getting Trump" did just that. Now we will see how well this will hold up on appeal. mspart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 because everyone does that (elevates values) Gov. Kathy Holchul had to make a public statement that the state wouldn't go after them because so many people were scared. that's all you really need to know. although, you could also know that the US Govt totally misrepresented the value of Mar-a-Lago TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: because everyone does that (elevates values) Gov. Kathy Holchul had to make a public statement that the state wouldn't go after them because so many people were scared. that's all you really need to know. although, you could also know that the US Govt totally misrepresented the value of Mar-a-Lago Is Kathy expecting anything delivered by truck soon? https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2024/02/18/f-around-find-out-pro-trump-truckers-boycott-nyc-after-civil-fraud-verdict/ Edited February 20 by Offthemat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 4 hours ago, uncle bernard said: No one was harmed when I ran a stop sign, but that didn't convince the cop to let me off. Break the law, get punished. I thought y'all were the "law and order" guys? What's your net worth, $500K? Were you fined 13% of that... er $68K? Pay up buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 14 minutes ago, jross said: What's your net worth, $500K? Were you fined 13% of that... er $68K? Pay up buddy. The amount was based on the fraud he committed. We should be happy at least one rich person is being held accountable for their crimes. Nobody to blame but himself. This isn’t going to affect his campaign. His campaign will be funded by the billion dollar republican war chest, just like the last two times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Keep deflecting about running the stop sign and watch your fine go to $136K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 hours ago, uncle bernard said: The amount was based on the fraud he committed. We should be happy at least one rich person is being held accountable for their crimes. Nobody to blame but himself. This isn’t going to affect his campaign. His campaign will be funded by the billion dollar republican war chest, just like the last two times. A whole can of worms was opened up. Karma has a way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatWhiteNorth Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 (edited) 11 hours ago, mspart said: This fine just handed to Trump is an egregious miscarriage of justice. In the trial, the banks were queried if they were harmed. They said no and that they would do business with Trump again. So no one was harmed. You don't levy a civil fine of this size for no one being harmed. It is a gross miscarriage of justice, weaponizing the justice system to get rid of people you don't want around. Now with this judgement, other business types are on notice that they too could be targeted if this ruling stands. In addition, it was apparent from the beginning that the judge was antagonistic to Trump and did not allow certain evidence Trump wanted to bring up but allowed the state to do so for everything. It was like muzzling the defendant. That should not happen in any judicial case. I'm not talking about outbursts. I'm talking about evidence not allowed, explanations not allowed to be expanded on while on the witness stand. The absolute size of the award to the state (who had no harm done to it either) is the best indication of the attitude of the judge in this case. A Trump hater doing to Trump what he wanted, rather than an impartial judge. Because the banks received no harm, this case should have been thrown out before it started. mspart Let me get this straight: You have decided to become a Trump defender? You believe "no one was harmed"? Are you serious about that? You should not be. The "judge was antagonistic to Trump" that is an interesting take. Maybe just being an honest judge. You think the judgement made indicates the judge was a "Trump hater"? Don't see any evidence of that other than Trump losing the case. You are so far off base. ... Art - WTF? You decided to become just another cog in the Trump excuse machine? That's disappointing. Edited February 20 by GreatWhiteNorth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 8 hours ago, uncle bernard said: The amount was based on the fraud he committed. We should be happy at least one rich person is being held accountable for their crimes. Nobody to blame but himself. This isn’t going to affect his campaign. His campaign will be funded by the billion dollar republican war chest, just like the last two times. what fraud was committed and what was the formula to determine the number? why don't you just admit what you are - a cheerleader. you pick a side and throw reason out the window. he did not defraud a single entity. even the banks testified FOR him on a loan paid back in its entirety. for a man that runs around chanting that the USA is crooked, you can't notice the most obvious effin' example. 2 TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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