nhs67 Posted December 12, 2023 Posted December 12, 2023 2 hours ago, feet2back said: can't wait to see how Nicky New Hair does...I think he beats Lee I will definitely be rooting for him as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see them on the same side (1/4 seeds). 2 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted December 12, 2023 Posted December 12, 2023 Are they straight up using the PIN formula 1-2-3, etc? Because Lightning Luke still gets the 1 seed... https://www.themat.com/results Click in current PIN ratings... This is batshit... 4 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
bnwtwg Posted December 12, 2023 Posted December 12, 2023 Random 65kg thoughts- I don't think Pantaleo will have a gas tank down at 65. And that is the IOC's fault not his. It's a shame really. Gross should qualify but I wonder if he crash cuts down to 57 if he doesn't. He just doesn't pass the eye test for a legit 65kg body which, again, is the IOCs fault and not his. I want to see McKenna/DeSanto very bad. I could see it as a very calculated technical thrashing finished in 4 minutes or a huge upset and neither result would surprise me. 3 i am an idiot on the internet
bnwtwg Posted December 12, 2023 Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, nhs67 said: Are they straight up using the PIN formula 1-2-3, etc? Because Lightning Luke still gets the 1 seed... https://www.themat.com/results Click in current PIN ratings... This is batshit... Lilledahl (17) , Pierson Manville (19), and Kannon Webster (23) all ranked in the top 23 seems a wee bit absurd. Mason Parris is ranked 22nd while Steveson is 9 and Gwiz is 13. ETA and Gilman is 5th despite never showing up and not making the world team. Make it make sense USAW... Edited December 12, 2023 by bnwtwg i am an idiot on the internet
Spladle08 Posted December 12, 2023 Posted December 12, 2023 19 hours ago, nhs67 said: 65 KG is also interesting and deep AF. Mind you, I am human and might have messed up a bit here. I am okay with that. Its hard to bet against McKenna, but for my money its hard to pick against Alirez. The only knock on PantsLayLow is the potential cut, otherwise he's right there with McKenna, I hope he shows up in A+ form Lugo I think is the biggest landmine among the guys who have no shot at winning it. He can upset anybody, but he can also lose to anyone. I never give Bartlett enough credit.... 1
Spladle08 Posted December 12, 2023 Posted December 12, 2023 Lol Chamizo vs McKenna funhttps://www.instagram.com/reel/C0wlU5OsdtN/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== 1
mspart Posted December 12, 2023 Posted December 12, 2023 Frank kind of took it to him. Even after giving him a chance to adjust which McKenna did not take. I was in Italy a few months back and I swear I saw Chamizo there at a bus stop. I did not stop to say hi, but I swear it was him. mspart 1
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 12, 2023 Posted December 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Spladle08 said: Lol Chamizo vs McKenna fun https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0wlU5OsdtN/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== Frank likes throwing them 65's around. https://www.facebook.com/FloWrestling/videos/frank-chamizo-and-luke-pletcher-getting-in-some-work-peep-franks-shirt-though-/963787984062889/ Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Spladle08 Posted December 12, 2023 Posted December 12, 2023 Frank likes throwing them 65's around. https://www.facebook.com/FloWrestling/videos/frank-chamizo-and-luke-pletcher-getting-in-some-work-peep-franks-shirt-though-/963787984062889/Looks like me practicing with 120lb middle school kids.
Namecheck Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 Assuming no PIN seeding system, does Lee get the 1 seed at 57kg and create a (most likely) Nico vs Suriano semi? Or does the Open back in April where Lee forfeited out against Suriano make Lee the 2 and Nick the 1?
nhs67 Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 15 minutes ago, Namecheck said: Assuming no PIN seeding system, does Lee get the 1 seed at 57kg and create a (most likely) Nico vs Suriano semi? Or does the Open back in April where Lee forfeited out against Suriano make Lee the 2 and Nick the 1? Not sure. Lee should be penalized for that - my opinion. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
mspart Posted December 13, 2023 Posted December 13, 2023 Make Lee #4 and Suriano #1, that should get it done. Perfect semi!! That would penalize Lee for last time and still make a pretty good semi. mspart 1
nhs67 Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 https://www.themat.com/news/2023/december/14/seeds-released-for-all-three-disciplines-for-the-senior-nationals-in-fort-worth-texas-dec-15-17 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 Seeds are out... "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 Nicky Skeletor is not seeded. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 MFS 57 kg 1 - Spencer Lee¸ Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Hawkeye Wrestling Club 2 - Nico Megaludis, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Pittsburgh Wrestling Club 3 - Luke Lillledahl, X-Calibur Athletics Wrestling Club 4 - Daniel Deshazer, Gopher Wrestling Club RTC 5 - Josh Rodriguez, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club//Nittany Lion Wrestling Club 6 - Brandon Courtney, Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 7 - Devan Turner, Indiana RTC 8 - Liam Cronin, Nebraska Wrestling Training Center 9 - Cael Nasdeo, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Nittany Lion Wrestling Club 65 kg 1 - Joey McKenna, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Pennsylvania RTC 2 - Alec Pantaleo, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Cliff Keen Wrestling Club 3 - Andrew Alirez, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Northern Colorado RTC 4 - Matt Kolodzik, New York Athletic Club 5 - Beau Bartlett, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Nittany Lion Wrestling Club 6 - Austin DeSanto, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Hawkeye Wrestling Club 7 - Seth Gross, Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 8 - Pat Lugo, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Hawkeye Wrestling Club 9 - Anthony Ashnault, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/NYC RTC 10 - Jaydin Eierman, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Hawkeye Wrestling Club 11 - Tyler Kasak, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Nittany Lion Wrestling Club 12 - Aden Valencia, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/California RTC 13 - Ian Parker, Cavalier Wrestling Club 14 - Luke Pletcher, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Pittsburgh Wrestling Club 15 - Dean Heil, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Cowboy Wrestling Club 74 kg 1 - Quincy Monday, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/New Jersey RTC 2 - Alex Marinelli, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Hawkeye Wrestling Club 3 - Tyler Berger, Pennsylvania RTC 4 - Jarrett Jacques, Tiger Style Wrestling Club 5 - Joseph Sealy, Pennsylvania 6 - Alex Facundo, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Nittany Lion Wrestling Club 7 - Joey Lavallee, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Lehigh Valley Wrestling Club 8 - Doug Zapf, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Pennsylvania RTC 9 - Yahya Thomas, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/New Jersey RTC 10 - Josh Shields, Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 11 - Isaiah White, Indiana RTC 86 kg 1 - Mark Hall, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Pennsylvania RTC 2 - Alex Dieringer, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Cliff Keen Wrestling Club 3 - Morgan McIntosh, Army WCAP 4 - Max Dean, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Nittany Lion Wrestling Club 5 - Conner Mirasola, Askren Wrestling Academy 6 - David McFadden, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club, Pennsylvania RTC 7 - Evan Wick, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Southern California RTC 8 - Taylor Lujan, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Panther Wrestling Club 9 - Marcus Coleman, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Cyclone RTC 10 - Michael O’Malley, Pennsylvania RTC 97 kg 1 - Kollin Moore, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Ohio RTC 2 - Nate Jackson, New York Athletic Club 3 - Anthony Cassioppi, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Hawkeye Wrestling Club 4 - Jacob Warner, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Hawkeye Wrestling Club 5 - Jay Aiello, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Cavalier Wrestling Club 6 - Eric Schultz, Nebraska Wrestling Training Center 7 - Tim Dudley, Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 8 - Lou Deprez, Bearcat Wrestling Club 9 - Cole Mirasola, Askren Wrestling Academy 10 - Morgan Smith, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Lehigh Valley Wrestling Club 11 - Kallen Kleinschmidt, Montana 125 kg 1 - Dom Bradley, Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 2 - Daniel Greg Kerkvliet, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Nittany Lion Wrestling Club 3 - Demertius Thomas, Pittsburgh Wrestling Club 4 - Christian Lance, Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 5 - Sam Schuyler, Cyclone RTC 6 - Trent Hillger, Gopher Wrestling Club RTC 7 - Gary Traub, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Cowboy Wrestling Club 8 - Jacob Bullock, Indiana RTC 9 - Daniel Erekson, Air Force RTC WFS 50 kg 1 - Erin Golston, New York Athletic Club 2 - Alyssa Lampe, Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 3 - Emily Shilson, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club 4 - Sage Mortimer, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club 5 - Jaslynn Gallegos, Cardinal Wrestling Club 6 - Samara Chavez, Team Tornado Wrestling Club 7 - Kendra Ryan, Cardinal Wrestling Club 8 - Mia Palumbo, Illinois 53 kg 1 - Katie Gomez, Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 2 - Lauren Mason, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club 3 - Areana Villaescusa, Army WCAP 4 - Haley Augello, Izzy Style Wrestling 5 - Sydney Petzinger, Cardinal Wrestling Club 6 - Elena Ivaldi, California 7 - Vayle Baker, West Point Wrestling Club 8 - Melanie Mendoza, Team Tornado Wrestling Club 57 kg 1 - Jacarra Winchester, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/USOPTC 2 - Xochitl Mota-Pettis, Rise RTC 3 - Alexandra Hedrick, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/USOPTC 4 - Amanda Martinez, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Cardinal Wrestling Club 5 - Bridgette Duty, Army WCAP 6 - Cameron Guerin, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Bearcat Wrestling Club 7 - Cristelle Rodriguez, Tiger Wrestling Club 8 - Shelby Moore, Bearcat Wrestling Club 62 kg 1 - Abigail Nette, Army WCAP 2 - Maya Letona, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club 3 - Ashlynn Ortega, New York Athletic Club 4 - SaVannah Cosme, Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 5 - Ana Luciano, Team Tornado Wrestling Club 6 - Aine Drury, California 7 - Skylar Hattendorf, New York Athletic Club/USOPTC 8 - Sarah Savidge, Army WCAP 68 kg 1 - Mallory Velte, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Beaver Dam Wrestling Club 2 - Kaylynn Albrecht, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club 3 - Solin Piearcy, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club 4 - Bella Mir, Iowa Women’s Wrestling Club 5 - Marilyn Garcia, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Beat the Streets LA 6 - Alara Boyd, Cardinal Wrestling Club 7 - London Houston, Cardinal Wrestling Club 8 - Cheyenne Bowman, Pounders Wrestling Club 76 kg 1 - Kylie Welker, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Iowa Women’s Wrestling Club 2 - Skylar Grote, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/USOPTC 3 - Precious Wieser, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club 4 - Brooklyn Hays, Utah 5 - Marlynne Deede, Iowa Women’s Wrestling Club 6 - Rose Cassioppi, Iowa Women’s Wrestling Club 7 - Kelani Corbett, The Valley Wrestling Club 8 - Cara Broadus, KT Kidz Wrestling Club MGR 60 kg Sitting out - Ildar Hafizov, Army WCAP 1 - Dalton Roberts, Army WCAP 2 - Randon Miranda, California 3 - Hayden Tuma, New York Athletic Club 4 - Sammy Jones, Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 5 - Max Black, NMU-National Training Center 6 - Brady Koontz, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Dubuque RTC 7 - Dylan Gregerson, New York Athletic Club 8 - Dylan Koontz, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Dubuque RTC 9 - Dalton Duffield, Army WCAP 10 - Taylor LaMont, Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 67 kg 1 - Alejando Sancho, Army WCAP 2 - Pat Smith, New York Athletic Club 3 - Justus Scott, Army WCAP 4 - Robert Perez III, Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 5 - Xavier Johnson, Army WCAP 6 - Peyton Omania, New York Athletic Club 7 - David Stepanian, New York Athletic Club 8 - Hunter Lewis, North Carolina 9 - Chayse La Joie, California RTC 10 - Duncan Nelson, Illinois 11 - Joel Adams, The Best Wrestler 77 kg Sitting out - Kamal Bey, Army WCAP 1 - Aliaksandr Kikiniou, California 2 - RaVaughn Perkins, New York Athletic Club 3 - Payton Jacobson, Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 4 .Britton Holmes, Army WCAP 5 - Benji Peak, Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 6 - Jesse Porter, New York Athletic Club 7 - Tyler Cunningham, MWC Wrestling Academy 8 - Noah Wachsmuth, New York Athletic Club 9 - Danny Braunagel, Illinois RTC/Illini WC 10 - Aydin Rix McElhinney, Northern Colorado RTC 87 kg 1 - Zachary Braunagel, Illinois RTC/Illini WC 2 - Tim Young, Army WCAP 3 - Richard Carlson, Minnesota Storm 4 - Spencer Woods, Army WCAP 5 .John Stefanowicz, Navy Wrestling Club 6 - Ryan Epps, Minnesota Storm 7 - Ben Provisor, New York Athletic Club 8 - Barrett Stanghill, Montana 9 - Andrew Berreyesa, New York Athletic Club/Northern Colorado RTC 10 - Mahmound Sebie, Florida/USOPTC 11 - Jacob Clark, Minnesota Storm 97 kg 1 - Joe Rau, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/USOPTC 2 - Christian Dulaney, Minnesota Storm 3 - Alan Vera, New York Athletic Club 4 - Nicholas Boykin, Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 5 - David Tate Orndorff, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Ohio RTC 6 - Sterling Hecox, Illinois 7 - Khymba Johnson, New York Athletic Club 8 - MacAron Kukowski, Minnesota Storm 9 - Austin Craig, Washington 10 - Orry Elor, New York Athletic Club 130 kg Sitting out - Cohlton Schultz, Sunkist Kids Wrestling Club 1 - Adam Coon, Cliff Keen Wrestling Club 2 - Courtney Freeman, U.S. Marines Corps 3 - Donald Longendyke, Minnesota Storm 4 - Aden Attao, Suples Wrestling Club 5 - Kaleb Reeves, Big Game Wrestling Club 6 - West Cathcart, New York Athletic Club 7 - Donovan King, Olivet Wrestling Club 8 - Cameron Groncki, NMU-National Training Center 9 - Michael Rogers, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Nittany Lion WC 10 - Malcolm Allen, Legends of Gold 4 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 It is a travesty that the Brawnie twins are one weight class apart in MGR and in NCAA D1 wrestling they are three. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, nhs67 said: 86 kg 1 - Mark Hall, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Pennsylvania RTC - 174lbs 2017 NCAA Champion, 4x AA 2 - Alex Dieringer, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Cliff Keen Wrestling Club - 165lb 2015, 2016 NCAA Champion, 157lb 2014 NCAA Champion, 4x AA 3 - Morgan McIntosh, Army WCAP - 197lb 3x AA, 2014-16 4 - Max Dean, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Nittany Lion Wrestling Club - 197lb 2022 NCAA Champion, 4x AA (184 2x, 197 2x) 5 - Conner Mirasola, Askren Wrestling Academy - #2 Ranked Heavyweight in High School right now 6 - David McFadden, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club, Pennsylvania RTC - 4x AA (165 3x, 174 1x, 2016-20) 7 - Evan Wick, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Southern California RTC - 4x AA 2018-2022 @ 165 (2018-22) 8 - Taylor Lujan, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Panther Wrestling Club - 4x NQ, #1 seed at 184 in cancelled 2020 NCAAs (3x NQ at 174, 1x NQ at 184) (2017-20) 9 - Marcus Coleman, Titan Mercury Wrestling Club/Cyclone RTC - 5x NQ, 2x AA at 184 (qualified at 184 3x, 197, and 174) (2019-23) 10 - Michael O’Malley, Pennsylvania RTC - 4x NQ @ 174lbs (2020-23) Wild how wide their weights range(d) for 86 KG gents. It goes to show that folks don't stop growing in college, necessarily. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
bnwtwg Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) Okay so Suriano gets second at the US Open last season and doesn't get seeded. DeSanto gets 2nd at US Open and 4th overall at Final X last season at 61, bumps up a weight and gets third at Farrell gets seeded 6 Now let's look at 97: Jacob Warner just took 2nd at Farrell gets seeded 4th. Cassioppi has never made this weight and gets the 3 seed. *ETA he went 0-1 at senior Last Chance last year at 125. How? Why? Is it the previous U23 title? Because if so then what about the recent international success of Suriano, DeSanto, Gross at the superior senior level and why don't their seeds correlate? It doesn't matter at the senior level because you either show up or you don't but this place is my soapbox and I'm not here for it. Edited December 14, 2023 by bnwtwg typo i am an idiot on the internet
jchapman Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 How does Cass look at 97? Craig Henning got screwed in the 2007 NCAA Finals.
Crotalus Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 Wild how wide their weights range(d) for 86 KG gents. It goes to show that folks don't stop growing in college, necessarily.Yeah, that's definitely the reason all these folks are crammed into the 86kg class. Not because we need at least two more weight classes so the tweaners have an appropriate weight class. 1
Hammerlock3 Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 do we know if he just isn't seeded or if the ever "mysterious" (stupidest things ive ever seen on flo) nick suriano back out? "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
Spladle08 Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 Wonder if other countries b*tch about weight classes as much as us
Mr. PeanutButter Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: do we know if he just isn't seeded or if the ever "mysterious" (stupidest things ive ever seen on flo) nick Suriano back out? That's what I'm wondering. Is he still on the entries? 1
Hammerlock3 Posted December 14, 2023 Posted December 14, 2023 Just now, Mr. PeanutButter said: That's what I'm wondering. Is he still on the entries? no telling how they seeded it, but the third seed is in high school.... "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
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