nhs67 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Le duke said: Are you blind? See bolded text. Are you blind? What he stated was accurate. Nobody clamped on to the 'tech' portion. Folks clamped on to and reacted to the World Champ portion. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 Just now, Le duke said: Nothing was said about staffs. You criticized the situation and Mesenbrink relying on freestyle positions. Also said it was a fluke. This was before they stepped foot in college, err I mean Haines was already in a college room, but Mesenbrink wasn't. We all know you have an 80 VO2 max, is it a 90 VO2 max when you are backtracking? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 ALL this said... I would take Mesenbrink as well. There are a few signs pointing to not only him wrestling, but wrestling 157lbs if he does. - Bartlett posted a video (picture maybe?) of them working out with the caption "Just two 160lbers" - Ben has been trying to insert him in to the 157lb discussion on FRL as much as possible So, to me... smart money is on him wrestling 157 if he wrestles this season. Perhaps they start the season with both him and Haines under redshirt and Bearclaw with the nod? The difference being is that MM would have to not be enrolled to Oly-shirt... so there is that. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Le duke said: Are you blind? See bolded text. Please note that that was posted ~10 hours ago, and I don't have the ability to time travel at this juncture. What if I were? I had a blind teammate. I would suggest you use your own abilities to see that I, and other posters quoted your original foolish post. Keep backtracking and being able-ist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: What if I were? I had a blind teammate. I would suggest you use your own abilities to see that I, and other posters quoted your original foolish post. Keep backtracking and being able-ist! If you were, I would ask that you use another method to read a thread, completely, before responding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedFan Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 15 minutes ago, Le duke said: We’re talking about Meyer Shapiro and Mitchell Messenbrink. Do people discussing them NOT know that they are U20 world champions? Like versus like. Also, given that I said “teched his way through”, it was pretty clear I wasn’t talking about Sidakov. Who had several close, non-technical superiority wins. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk By all means, keep digging. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 14 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Now that he is a Nit, he's the next four-timer. Yeah, so what are you struggling to understand? 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, Le duke said: If you were, I would ask that you use another method to read a thread, completely, before responding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 So, this is what Track shows for their Certifying Weights... for 'EXPECTED WEIGHT' I used what Wrestlestat has them listed at, as Penn State won't likely update their until mid-January (phuktarts!)... Keep in mind that these gents could have certified a month or more ago and that some of these guys could keep in phenomenal shape, whereas some could let their weight get out of control. A few notes... - A 174.1-184.0lb Stalrocci is lower than I expected. - They have the grades very inaccurate in some instances (looking at the Lee brothers, Track!) - Kurt McHenry probably has a massive beer belly - I thought Kasak was Greyshirtting... appears not... he could be an option and let both Mesenbrink and Haines to Redshirt - Chochran already being under 197lbs actually surprised me. WRESTLER - GRADE, CERT WEIGHT, ACTUAL WEIGHT RANGE, EXPECTED WEIGHT Branden Wentzel - FR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125 Braeden Davis - FR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 133 Kurt McHenry - SR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125 Marco Vespa - SR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125 Gary Steen - JR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125 Robert Howard - SR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125 Sean Wang - JR, 141, 133.1-141.0, 141 Aaron Nagao - RS SO, 141, 133.1-141.0, 133 Karl Shindledecker - SO, 141, 133.1-141.0, 125 Baylor Shunk - RS FR, 141, 133.1-141.0, 133 Kyison Garcia - FR, 141, 133.1-141.0, 133 David Evans - SR, 149, 141.1-149.0, 141 Timothy Levine - JR, 149, 141.1-149.0, 141 Beau Bartlett - SR, 149, 141.1-149.0, 141 Shayne Van Ness - JR, 157, 149.1-157.0, 149 Connor Pierce - SO, 157, 149.1-157.0, 149 Tyler Kasak - FR, 157, 149.1-157.0, 157 Imran Heard, SR, 165, 157.1-165.0, 149 Mitchell Mesenbrink - RS FR, 165, 157.1-165.0, 157 Levi Haines - SO, 165, 157.1-165.0, 157 Matt Lee - SR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 165 Erik Gibson - FR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 165 Joe Lee - RS FR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 165 Terrell Barraclough - RS FR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 157 Alex Facundo - JR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 165 Josh Barr - FR, 184, 174.1-184.0, 174 Aurelius Dunbar - SR, 184, 174.1-184.0, 157 Brian Borden - JR, 184, 174.1-184.0, 165 Carter Starocci - RS FR, 184, 174.1-184.0, 174 Jack Kelly - JR, 197, 184.0-197.0, 174 Donovon Ball - RS FR, 197, 184.0-197.0, 184 Lucas Cochran - JR, 197, 184.0-197.0, 197 Bernie Truax - RS SR, 197, 184.0-197.0, 184 Aaron Brooks - RS FR, 285, 197.1-285.0, 197 AJ Fricchione - FR, 285, 197.1-285.0, 285 Greg Kerkvliet - RS FR, 285, 197.1-285.0, 285 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Carter Starocci - RS FR First 7 time national champ in the cards??? i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 6 hours ago, Husker_Du said: CP has been pretty effusive in his praise of Shapiro. he did a solo vid of the topic. quite a headline. https://www.flowrestling.org/video/11305857-soon-every-ncaa-wrestling-fan-will-be-talking-about And another… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 43 minutes ago, nhs67 said: ALL this said... I would take Mesenbrink as well. There are a few signs pointing to not only him wrestling, but wrestling 157lbs if he does. - Bartlett posted a video (picture maybe?) of them working out with the caption "Just two 160lbers" - Ben has been trying to insert him in to the 157lb discussion on FRL as much as possible So, to me... smart money is on him wrestling 157 if he wrestles this season. Perhaps they start the season with both him and Haines under redshirt and Bearclaw with the nod? The difference being is that MM would have to not be enrolled to Oly-shirt... so there is that. I said in a different thread and maybe I’m misremembering but I thought in 2020 someone pointed out that you can be enrolled while taking an ORS. Maybe Fix, not sure. …and I knew the “world champ” was talking about Messenbrink, the Sidakov comment was just an attempted joke… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: KInda an important distinction... Yeah but Le Duke is right. U20 champs are far better than those Senior Champs. Can't compare a 20 year old to a senior citizen 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, bnwtwg said: First 7 time national champ in the cards??? I said they were well off! "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, nhs67 said: So, this is what Track shows for their Certifying Weights... for 'EXPECTED WEIGHT' I used what Wrestlestat has them listed at, as Penn State won't likely update their until mid-January (phuktarts!)... Keep in mind that these gents could have certified a month or more ago and that some of these guys could keep in phenomenal shape, whereas some could let their weight get out of control. A few notes... - A 174.1-184.0lb Stalrocci is lower than I expected. - They have the grades very inaccurate in some instances (looking at the Lee brothers, Track!) - Kurt McHenry probably has a massive beer belly - I thought Kasak was Greyshirtting... appears not... he could be an option and let both Mesenbrink and Haines to Redshirt - Chochran already being under 197lbs actually surprised me. WRESTLER - GRADE, CERT WEIGHT, ACTUAL WEIGHT RANGE, EXPECTED WEIGHT Branden Wentzel - FR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125 Braeden Davis - FR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 133 Kurt McHenry - SR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125 Marco Vespa - SR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125 Gary Steen - JR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125 Robert Howard - SR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125 Sean Wang - JR, 141, 133.1-141.0, 141 Aaron Nagao - RS SO, 141, 133.1-141.0, 133 Karl Shindledecker - SO, 141, 133.1-141.0, 125 Baylor Shunk - RS FR, 141, 133.1-141.0, 133 Kyison Garcia - FR, 141, 133.1-141.0, 133 David Evans - SR, 149, 141.1-149.0, 141 Timothy Levine - JR, 149, 141.1-149.0, 141 Beau Bartlett - SR, 149, 141.1-149.0, 141 Shayne Van Ness - JR, 157, 149.1-157.0, 149 Connor Pierce - SO, 157, 149.1-157.0, 149 Tyler Kasak - FR, 157, 149.1-157.0, 157 Imran Heard, SR, 165, 157.1-165.0, 149 Mitchell Mesenbrink - RS FR, 165, 157.1-165.0, 157 Levi Haines - SO, 165, 157.1-165.0, 157 Matt Lee - SR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 165 Erik Gibson - FR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 165 Joe Lee - RS FR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 165 Terrell Barraclough - RS FR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 157 Alex Facundo - JR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 165 Josh Barr - FR, 184, 174.1-184.0, 174 Aurelius Dunbar - SR, 184, 174.1-184.0, 157 Brian Borden - JR, 184, 174.1-184.0, 165 Carter Starocci - RS FR, 184, 174.1-184.0, 174 Jack Kelly - JR, 197, 184.0-197.0, 174 Donovon Ball - RS FR, 197, 184.0-197.0, 184 Lucas Cochran - JR, 197, 184.0-197.0, 197 Bernie Truax - RS SR, 197, 184.0-197.0, 184 Aaron Brooks - RS FR, 285, 197.1-285.0, 197 AJ Fricchione - FR, 285, 197.1-285.0, 285 Greg Kerkvliet - RS FR, 285, 197.1-285.0, 285 It should be noted that they went a different route last year... everyone was basically on weight for ther certification. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 hours ago, PortaJohn said: Yeah but Le Duke is right. U20 champs are far better than those Senior Champs. Can't compare a 20 year old to a senior citizen What happens if a U20 champ has to a wrestle a U23 champ? Is the tiebreaker whoever has a 40+ Veteran's champ on staff? i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: What happens if a U20 champ has to a wrestle a U23 champ? Is the tiebreaker whoever has a 40+ Veteran's champ on staff? This is tricky. Didn't consider this conundrum. What I do know is that it's unfair to compare Messenbrink or Shapiro to say Sidakov who is 27 in Russian years which makes him 54 in American years Edited October 20, 2023 by PortaJohn I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, PortaJohn said: This is tricky. Didn't consider this conundrum. What I do know is that it's unfair to compare Messenbrink or Shapiro to say Sidakov who is 27 in Russian years which makes him 54 in American years What about Dake who is 32 in American years but U17 in Dake years? How does he stack up? He is only a senior world champ but maybe he can right the wrongs of history and win those elusive U20 and U17 world titles to really cement his legacy. He might even be able to beat Messenbrink and Shapiro... i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 41 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: What about Dake who is 32 in American years but U17 in Dake years? How does he stack up? He is only a senior world champ but maybe he can right the wrongs of history and win those elusive U20 and U17 world titles to really cement his legacy. He might even be able to beat Messenbrink and Shapiro... Didn't he state in a recent interview that was his goal after the 2028 Olympics? I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 On 10/19/2023 at 9:53 PM, Le duke said: Probably because the world champ at 74kg might very well be in the same weight class, 157, and I know who I’d take in that match. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk this is a dumb post 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugarles Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Posters here should be less pedantic as a rule. nobody actually thought that OP was saying Shapiro was the Senior world champ. Even the first guy who invoked Sidakov has already admitted he was joking. Yet here we are, two pages in of chimps heaving crap around the cage trying win an argument over a non-ambiguous technical ambiguity because they are insecure about their intelligence which leads to a compulsion to point out inconsequential errors. cut it out, dummies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 13 minutes ago, ugarles said: Posters here should be less pedantic as a rule. nobody actually thought that OP was saying Shapiro was the Senior world champ. Even the first guy who invoked Sidakov has already admitted he was joking. Yet here we are, two pages in of chimps heaving crap around the cage trying win an argument over a non-ambiguous technical ambiguity because they are insecure about their intelligence which leads to a compulsion to point out inconsequential errors. cut it out, dummies. I would like to take this opportunity to point out that you should have capitalized the c in cut. 1 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugarles Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 27 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I would like to take this opportunity to point out that you should have capitalized the c in cut. tbh i shouldn't have capitalized anything but op looked weird in lowercase and i felt compelled to go back maybe it's ocd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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