Why isn't Flo fanboying Meyer Shapiro to an embarassing extent?

[nhs67]

2 minutes ago, Le duke said:

 

Are you blind? See bolded text.

Are you blind?  What he stated was accurate.  Nobody clamped on to the 'tech' portion.  Folks clamped on to and reacted to the World Champ portion.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, Le duke said:

 

Nothing was said about staffs.  You criticized the situation and Mesenbrink relying on freestyle positions.  Also said it was a fluke.  This was before they stepped foot in college, err I mean Haines was already in a college room, but Mesenbrink wasn't.

We all know you have an 80 VO2 max, is it a 90 VO2 max when you are backtracking?

[nhs67]

ALL this said... I would take Mesenbrink as well.  There are a few signs pointing to not only him wrestling, but wrestling 157lbs if he does.

- Bartlett posted a video (picture maybe?) of them working out with the caption "Just two 160lbers"
- Ben has been trying to insert him in to the 157lb discussion on FRL as much as possible

So, to me... smart money is on him wrestling 157 if he wrestles this season.  Perhaps they start the season with both him and Haines under redshirt and Bearclaw with the nod?  The difference being is that MM would have to not be enrolled to Oly-shirt... so there is that.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

4 minutes ago, Le duke said:

 

Are you blind? See bolded text. Please note that that was posted ~10 hours ago, and I don't have the ability to time travel at this juncture. 

What if I were?  I had a blind teammate.

I would suggest you use your own abilities to see that I, and other posters quoted your original foolish post.  Keep backtracking and being able-ist!

 

[Le duke]

1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

What if I were?  I had a blind teammate.

I would suggest you use your own abilities to see that I, and other posters quoted your original foolish post.  Keep backtracking and being able-ist!

 

If you were, I would ask that you use another method to read a thread, completely, before responding. 

[BigRedFan]

15 minutes ago, Le duke said:

We’re talking about Meyer Shapiro and Mitchell Messenbrink.

Do people discussing them NOT know that they are U20 world champions? Like versus like.

Also, given that I said “teched his way through”, it was pretty clear I wasn’t talking about Sidakov. Who had several close, non-technical superiority wins.


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By all means, keep digging.

[Wrestleknownothing]

14 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

 

Now that he is a Nit, he's the next four-timer.

Yeah, so what are you struggling to understand?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

11 minutes ago, Le duke said:

If you were, I would ask that you use another method to read a thread, completely, before responding. 

[nhs67]

So, this is what Track shows for their Certifying Weights... for 'EXPECTED WEIGHT' I used what Wrestlestat has them listed at, as Penn State won't likely update their until mid-January (phuktarts!)... Keep in mind that these gents could have certified a month or more ago and that some of these guys could keep in phenomenal shape, whereas some could let their weight get out of control.

A few notes...
- A 174.1-184.0lb Stalrocci is lower than I expected.
- They have the grades very inaccurate in some instances (looking at the Lee brothers, Track!)
- Kurt McHenry probably has a massive beer belly
- I thought Kasak was Greyshirtting... appears not... he could be an option and let both Mesenbrink and Haines to Redshirt
- Chochran already being under 197lbs actually surprised me.

WRESTLER - GRADE, CERT WEIGHT, ACTUAL WEIGHT RANGE, EXPECTED WEIGHT
Branden Wentzel - FR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125
Braeden Davis - FR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 133
Kurt McHenry - SR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125
Marco Vespa - SR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125
Gary Steen - JR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125
Robert Howard - SR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125
Sean Wang - JR, 141, 133.1-141.0, 141
Aaron Nagao - RS SO, 141, 133.1-141.0, 133
Karl Shindledecker - SO, 141, 133.1-141.0, 125
Baylor Shunk - RS FR, 141, 133.1-141.0, 133
Kyison Garcia - FR, 141, 133.1-141.0, 133
David Evans - SR, 149, 141.1-149.0, 141
Timothy Levine - JR, 149, 141.1-149.0, 141
Beau Bartlett - SR, 149, 141.1-149.0, 141
Shayne Van Ness - JR, 157, 149.1-157.0, 149
Connor Pierce - SO, 157, 149.1-157.0, 149
Tyler Kasak - FR, 157, 149.1-157.0, 157
Imran Heard, SR, 165, 157.1-165.0, 149
Mitchell Mesenbrink - RS FR, 165, 157.1-165.0, 157
Levi Haines - SO, 165, 157.1-165.0, 157
Matt Lee - SR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 165
Erik Gibson - FR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 165
Joe Lee - RS FR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 165
Terrell Barraclough - RS FR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 157
Alex Facundo - JR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 165
Josh Barr - FR, 184, 174.1-184.0, 174
Aurelius Dunbar - SR, 184, 174.1-184.0, 157
Brian Borden - JR, 184, 174.1-184.0, 165
Carter Starocci - RS FR, 184, 174.1-184.0, 174
Jack Kelly - JR, 197, 184.0-197.0, 174
Donovon Ball - RS FR, 197, 184.0-197.0, 184
Lucas Cochran - JR, 197, 184.0-197.0, 197
Bernie Truax - RS SR, 197, 184.0-197.0, 184
Aaron Brooks - RS FR, 285, 197.1-285.0, 197
AJ Fricchione - FR, 285, 197.1-285.0, 285
Greg Kerkvliet - RS FR, 285, 197.1-285.0, 285

[bnwtwg]

3 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Carter Starocci - RS FR

First 7 time national champ in the cards???

[1032004]

6 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

CP has been pretty effusive in his praise of Shapiro.

he did a solo vid of the topic. quite a headline.

https://www.flowrestling.org/video/11305857-soon-every-ncaa-wrestling-fan-will-be-talking-about

And another…

 

 

[1032004]

43 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

ALL this said... I would take Mesenbrink as well.  There are a few signs pointing to not only him wrestling, but wrestling 157lbs if he does.

- Bartlett posted a video (picture maybe?) of them working out with the caption "Just two 160lbers"
- Ben has been trying to insert him in to the 157lb discussion on FRL as much as possible

So, to me... smart money is on him wrestling 157 if he wrestles this season.  Perhaps they start the season with both him and Haines under redshirt and Bearclaw with the nod?  The difference being is that MM would have to not be enrolled to Oly-shirt... so there is that.

I said in a different thread and maybe I’m misremembering but I thought in 2020 someone pointed out that you can be enrolled while taking an ORS.  Maybe Fix, not sure.

…and I knew the “world champ” was talking about Messenbrink, the Sidakov comment was just an attempted joke…

[PortaJohn]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

KInda an important distinction...

Yeah but Le Duke is right.  U20 champs are far better than those Senior Champs.  Can't compare a 20 year old to a senior citizen 

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, bnwtwg said:

First 7 time national champ in the cards???

I said they were well off!

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, nhs67 said:

So, this is what Track shows for their Certifying Weights... for 'EXPECTED WEIGHT' I used what Wrestlestat has them listed at, as Penn State won't likely update their until mid-January (phuktarts!)... Keep in mind that these gents could have certified a month or more ago and that some of these guys could keep in phenomenal shape, whereas some could let their weight get out of control.

A few notes...
- A 174.1-184.0lb Stalrocci is lower than I expected.
- They have the grades very inaccurate in some instances (looking at the Lee brothers, Track!)
- Kurt McHenry probably has a massive beer belly
- I thought Kasak was Greyshirtting... appears not... he could be an option and let both Mesenbrink and Haines to Redshirt
- Chochran already being under 197lbs actually surprised me.

WRESTLER - GRADE, CERT WEIGHT, ACTUAL WEIGHT RANGE, EXPECTED WEIGHT
Branden Wentzel - FR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125
Braeden Davis - FR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 133
Kurt McHenry - SR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125
Marco Vespa - SR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125
Gary Steen - JR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125
Robert Howard - SR, 133, 125.1-133.0, 125
Sean Wang - JR, 141, 133.1-141.0, 141
Aaron Nagao - RS SO, 141, 133.1-141.0, 133
Karl Shindledecker - SO, 141, 133.1-141.0, 125
Baylor Shunk - RS FR, 141, 133.1-141.0, 133
Kyison Garcia - FR, 141, 133.1-141.0, 133
David Evans - SR, 149, 141.1-149.0, 141
Timothy Levine - JR, 149, 141.1-149.0, 141
Beau Bartlett - SR, 149, 141.1-149.0, 141
Shayne Van Ness - JR, 157, 149.1-157.0, 149
Connor Pierce - SO, 157, 149.1-157.0, 149
Tyler Kasak - FR, 157, 149.1-157.0, 157
Imran Heard, SR, 165, 157.1-165.0, 149
Mitchell Mesenbrink - RS FR, 165, 157.1-165.0, 157
Levi Haines - SO, 165, 157.1-165.0, 157
Matt Lee - SR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 165
Erik Gibson - FR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 165
Joe Lee - RS FR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 165
Terrell Barraclough - RS FR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 157
Alex Facundo - JR, 174, 165.1-174.0, 165
Josh Barr - FR, 184, 174.1-184.0, 174
Aurelius Dunbar - SR, 184, 174.1-184.0, 157
Brian Borden - JR, 184, 174.1-184.0, 165
Carter Starocci - RS FR, 184, 174.1-184.0, 174
Jack Kelly - JR, 197, 184.0-197.0, 174
Donovon Ball - RS FR, 197, 184.0-197.0, 184
Lucas Cochran - JR, 197, 184.0-197.0, 197
Bernie Truax - RS SR, 197, 184.0-197.0, 184
Aaron Brooks - RS FR, 285, 197.1-285.0, 197
AJ Fricchione - FR, 285, 197.1-285.0, 285
Greg Kerkvliet - RS FR, 285, 197.1-285.0, 285

It should be noted that they went a different route last year... everyone was basically on weight for ther certification.

[bnwtwg]

2 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

Yeah but Le Duke is right.  U20 champs are far better than those Senior Champs.  Can't compare a 20 year old to a senior citizen 

What happens if a U20 champ has to a wrestle a U23 champ? Is the tiebreaker whoever has a 40+ Veteran's champ on staff?

[PortaJohn]

23 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

What happens if a U20 champ has to a wrestle a U23 champ? Is the tiebreaker whoever has a 40+ Veteran's champ on staff?

This is tricky.  Didn't consider this conundrum.  What I do know is that it's unfair to compare Messenbrink or Shapiro to say Sidakov who is 27 in Russian years which makes him 54 in American years  

Edited October 20, 2023 by PortaJohn

[bnwtwg]

1 hour ago, PortaJohn said:

This is tricky.  Didn't consider this conundrum.  What I do know is that it's unfair to compare Messenbrink or Shapiro to say Sidakov who is 27 in Russian years which makes him 54 in American years  

What about Dake who is 32 in American years but U17 in Dake years? How does he stack up? He is only a senior world champ but maybe he can right the wrongs of history and win those elusive U20 and U17 world titles to really cement his legacy. He might even be able to beat Messenbrink and Shapiro...

[PortaJohn]

41 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

What about Dake who is 32 in American years but U17 in Dake years? How does he stack up? He is only a senior world champ but maybe he can right the wrongs of history and win those elusive U20 and U17 world titles to really cement his legacy. He might even be able to beat Messenbrink and Shapiro...

Didn't he state in a recent interview that was his goal after the 2028 Olympics?

[Hammerlock3]

On 10/19/2023 at 9:53 PM, Le duke said:

Probably because the world champ at 74kg might very well be in the same weight class, 157, and I know who I’d take in that match.


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this is a dumb post

[ugarles]

Posters here should be less pedantic as a rule. nobody actually thought that OP was saying Shapiro was the Senior world champ. Even the first guy who invoked Sidakov has already admitted he was joking. Yet here we are, two pages in of chimps heaving crap around the cage trying win an argument over a non-ambiguous technical ambiguity because they are insecure about their intelligence which leads to a compulsion to point out inconsequential errors.

cut it out, dummies.

[Wrestleknownothing]

13 minutes ago, ugarles said:

Posters here should be less pedantic as a rule. nobody actually thought that OP was saying Shapiro was the Senior world champ. Even the first guy who invoked Sidakov has already admitted he was joking. Yet here we are, two pages in of chimps heaving crap around the cage trying win an argument over a non-ambiguous technical ambiguity because they are insecure about their intelligence which leads to a compulsion to point out inconsequential errors.

cut it out, dummies.

I would like to take this opportunity to point out that you should have capitalized the c in cut.

[ugarles]

27 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I would like to take this opportunity to point out that you should have capitalized the c in cut.

tbh i shouldn't have capitalized anything but op looked weird in lowercase and i felt compelled to go back maybe it's ocd