Israel Attacked

[Offthemat]

You are seriously afflicted. 
 

29 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Simply put, dataforprogress.org is NOT the same site as progress.org.

Completely different sites.

You are misleading people here.

 

 

 

 

On 10/20/2023 at 10:53 AM, uncle bernard said:

The other thing Israel has to be careful about is losing support in the US. Congressional staffers are writing open letters and resigning in protest of the US position. State Department members are resigning and leaking like crazy that the administration has lost its mind. The tide is turning. And most importantly, we're now seeing multiple polls confirming that the public wants de-escalation. 

If US politicians see the way the wind is blowing and have more courage to oppose Israel's warpath, they might be in trouble. Everything they do is contingent on having the full backing and guarantee of the US. 

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On 10/20/2023 at 11:12 AM, Offthemat said:

Data For Progress

Data for Progress is the think tank for the future of progressivism. Through polling, policy development, and more, our work shows progressive causes can win.

 

On 10/20/2023 at 11:34 AM, uncle bernard said:

Data for Progress polls perform really well in the national average. In the last major election, the 2022 midterms, their polls actually ended up overestimating Republicans.

https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2022/12/2/dfp-2022-polling-accuracy-report

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"Looking at the polls in the general election cycle, our polling margin bias was 1.9 percentage points toward overestimating Republican vote share."

 

Edited October 22, 2023 by Offthemat

[GreatWhiteNorth]

5 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

You are seriously afflicted. 

Hey turd boy, learn English.

[Offthemat]

2 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Hey turd boy, learn English.

You’re proving it.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

6 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

You’re proving it.

Keep trying. You just get worse.

[WrestlingRasta]

6 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Hey turd boy, learn English.

I guess you didn’t pay attention to your own lecture..

[Ban Basketball]

On 10/20/2023 at 10:44 AM, uncle bernard said:

this is unreal lol

 

 

For a lying weasel who rendered all oversight against his authoritarianism null and void,  of course K.K. Nuttinbutayahoo is going to manipulate his people. 

[neutral]

Remember the old "TheMat" offtopic forum?  It became a total trainwreck.  Then came TheOpenMat.  Are they still around?

[Offthemat]

“The Iranians have little clue that they and their vassals are one stupid missile volley, or one reckless intervention away from a devastating Western response that would not necessarily be “proportionate.””
 

https://victorhanson.com/does-iran-realize-its-own-growing-danger/

Edited October 22, 2023 by Offthemat

[uncle bernard]

13 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Simply put, dataforprogress.org is NOT the same site as progress.org.

Completely different sites.

You are misleading people here.

 

 

 

you are the only one who is confused right now

[Ban Basketball]

4 hours ago, neutral said:

Remember the old "TheMat" offtopic forum?  It became a total trainwreck.  Then came TheOpenMat.  Are they still around?

Correction: The Closed Mat.

They were supposed to be the big bastions of free speech after the Mat, and ironically,  guess whose culture was cancelled from the supposed "bastions of free speech?"

As always,  broke no rules,  but was too good at what I can do for them.

Hence,  The Closed Mat.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

16 hours ago, WrestlingRasta said:

I guess you didn’t pay attention to your own lecture..

I don't lecture, but apparently you do in a half ass manner. If you have a point, make it. 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

10 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

you are the only one who is confused right now

Do I have to say it again? 

Simply put, dataforprogress.org is NOT the same site as progress.org. Try to claim otherwise, but...

It just isn't.

[Lipdrag]

On 10/19/2023 at 7:56 AM, Wrestleknownothing said:

Directly correlated to the number of times the facts change.

Facts don't change.  That's what makes them facts.  Something else changed.   Now, what could that be . . . 

[Wrestleknownothing]

5 minutes ago, Lipdrag said:

Facts don't change.  That's what makes them facts.  Something else changed.   Now, what could that be . . . 

Don't be shy. Go ahead and give us your conspiracy theory.

[uncle bernard]

4 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Do I have to say it again? 

Simply put, dataforprogress.org is NOT the same site as progress.org. Try to claim otherwise, but...

It just isn't.

not a single person on here claimed it was lmao

go back and read @Offthemat post more carefully. 

Edited October 23, 2023 by uncle bernard

[WrestlingRasta]

6 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

I don't lecture, but apparently you do in a half ass manner. If you have a point, make it. 

No need, you’re doing well enough. 

[uncle bernard]

 

[jross]

8 hours ago, Lipdrag said:

Facts don't change.  That's what makes them facts.  Something else changed.   Now, what could that be . . . 

[uncle bernard]

7 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

 

The context of this is even more troubling when you see that Israel is being accused of using White Phosphorous in Gaza right now (and we know they already used it in Lebanon last week). 

While they lazily gin up propaganda of Hamas having used manuals for chemical weapons, they’re actually using them. 

[Offthemat]

The Day the Delusions Died

“When Hamas terrorists crossed over the border with Israel and murdered 1,400 innocent people, they destroyed families and entire communities. They also shattered long-held delusions in the West.

A friend of mine joked that she woke up on October 7 as a liberal and went to bed that evening as a 65-year-old conservative. But it wasn’t really a joke and she wasn’t the only one. What changed?

The best way to answer that question is with the help of Thomas Sowell, one of the most brilliant public intellectuals alive today. In 1987, Sowell published A Conflict of Visions. In this now-classic, he offers a simple and powerful explanation of why people disagree about politics. We disagree about politics, Sowell argues, because we disagree about human nature. We see the world through one of two competing visions, each of which tells a radically different story about human nature.

Those with “unconstrained vision” think that humans are malleable and can be perfected. They believe that social ills and evils can be overcome through collective action that encourages humans to behave better. To subscribers of this view, poverty, crime, inequality, and war are notinevitable. Rather, they are puzzles that can be solved. We need only to say the right things, enact the right policies, and spend enough money, and we will suffer these social ills no more. This worldview is the foundation of the progressive mindset.

By contrast, those who see the world through a “constrained vision” lens believe that human nature is a universal constant. No amount of social engineering can change the sober reality of human self-interest, or the fact that human empathy and social resources are necessarily scarce. People who see things this way believe that most political and social problems will never be “solved”; they can only be managed. This approach is the bedrock of the conservative worldview.

Hamas’s barbarism—and the explanations and celebrations throughout the West that followed their orgy of violence—have forced an overnight exodus from the “unconstrained” camp into the “constrained” one. ”
 

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefp.com%2Fp%2Fthe-day-the-delusions-died-konstantin-kisin

[Plasmodium]

18 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

The Day the Delusions Died

“When Hamas terrorists crossed over the border with Israel and murdered 1,400 innocent people, they destroyed families and entire communities. They also shattered long-held delusions in the West.

A friend of mine joked that she woke up on October 7 as a liberal and went to bed that evening as a 65-year-old conservative. But it wasn’t really a joke and she wasn’t the only one. What changed?

The best way to answer that question is with the help of Thomas Sowell, one of the most brilliant public intellectuals alive today. In 1987, Sowell published A Conflict of Visions. In this now-classic, he offers a simple and powerful explanation of why people disagree about politics. We disagree about politics, Sowell argues, because we disagree about human nature. We see the world through one of two competing visions, each of which tells a radically different story about human nature.

Those with “unconstrained vision” think that humans are malleable and can be perfected. They believe that social ills and evils can be overcome through collective action that encourages humans to behave better. To subscribers of this view, poverty, crime, inequality, and war are notinevitable. Rather, they are puzzles that can be solved. We need only to say the right things, enact the right policies, and spend enough money, and we will suffer these social ills no more. This worldview is the foundation of the progressive mindset.

By contrast, those who see the world through a “constrained vision” lens believe that human nature is a universal constant. No amount of social engineering can change the sober reality of human self-interest, or the fact that human empathy and social resources are necessarily scarce. People who see things this way believe that most political and social problems will never be “solved”; they can only be managed. This approach is the bedrock of the conservative worldview.

Hamas’s barbarism—and the explanations and celebrations throughout the West that followed their orgy of violence—have forced an overnight exodus from the “unconstrained” camp into the “constrained” one. ”
 

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefp.com%2Fp%2Fthe-day-the-delusions-died-konstantin-kisin

Sowell's view is absolute nonsense.

[Bigbrog]

11 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

Sowell's view is absolute nonsense.

How so?

[Offthemat]

9 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

Sowell's view is absolute nonsense.

You can say that, without refute, and without validation. 

[Plasmodium]

50 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

You can say that, without refute, and without validation. 

 

52 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

How so?

His views ignore degradation as a desirable outcome of laws, culture and social policy.  It is dumb.

[WrestlingRasta]

Pretty extreme view to say that everything either falls into this, or it falls into that. 
 

No thanks.