Gus Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Ban Basketball said: If I had dime for every "next big thing" entering the college ranks from either freestyle, Greco, or high school I'd be living the life of a lottery winner. I couldn't count the number of "next big thing" flops. Sure, there are busts. But #1 overall recruits are typically a pretty safe bet to have future success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ban Basketball Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 28 minutes ago, Gus said: Sure, there are busts. But #1 overall recruits are typically a pretty safe bet to have future success. We shall see. Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnklePicker Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 This kid is unique. The old eye test shows me that. Also doesn’t hurt that he was a cadet and junior world champ at a super tough weight. How many guys in US history have won a cadet and junior world title? Gable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: I think he is a blend of Yianni and Dake, so yes he is the favorite at 157. Setting the stage for calling if Haines wins 157 then it’s a major upset I see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Setting the stage for calling if Haines wins 157 then it’s a major upset I see Haines is likely redshirting this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Haines is likely redshirting this season. Why likely? Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 53 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Haines is likely redshirting this season. Since when? "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildTurk Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 3 hours ago, Ban Basketball said: I follow nothing other than UNI news during the off season, I follow no high school wrestling, and only follow UNI during the season... It shows. A big reason why you should talk less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ban Basketball Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 1 minute ago, WildTurk said: It shows. A big reason why you should talk less Fair enough, but we shall see regarding Shapiro, won't we, ma'am? Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 6 hours ago, nhs67 said: Since when? High probability one of Haines/Mesenbrink/Facundo redshirts. But I think only Cael knows which one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 1 hour ago, 1032004 said: High probability one of Haines/Mesenbrink/Facundo redshirts. But I think only Cael knows which one. He probably wants to see which one works out best downstairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 15 hours ago, Dark Energy said: Listing to FRL - mention of Shapiro as a real title threat at 157. Even that he is a favorite. 157 seems pretty deep. Feel like I’m missing something. I know Shapiro wrestled college guys last year and did well. But did he beat anyone upper echelon? For those that he did beat, was it with severe authority? Curious to hear the case for him being at least a top two favorite to win 157. The kid is an absolute stud and of all the recruits out there Shapiro was on the top of list for myself and everyother PSU fan. Shame Cael didn't get him but he's going to do very well in the Cornell program and be a great representative for USA wrestling one day. Kid's special I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 12 hours ago, Gus said: Sure, there are busts. But #1 overall recruits are typically a pretty safe bet to have future success. How many Junior Freestyle World Champs have been busts? Not many! I'm still waiting for Braxton Amos to break out, but he seems to be a bit of a 'tweener, and his skillset may be more suited to the international styles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: How many Junior Freestyle World Champs have been busts? Not many! I'm still waiting for Braxton Amos to break out, but he seems to be a bit of a 'tweener, and his skillset may be more suited to the international styles. USA Jr Freestyle World champs since 2005 2007 - Bubba Jenkins 2013 - Kyle Snyder 2015 - Spencer Lee 2016 - Spencer Lee, Mark Hall 2017 - Daton Fix, Mark Hall, Gable Steveson 2018 - Mekhi Lewis 2019 - David Carr, Mason Parris 2021 - Kegan O-Toole, Rocky Elam, Braxton Amos 2022 - Jore Volk, Ben Kueter 2023 - Meyer Shapiro, Mitchell Mesenbrink From what I can see on Cadet & Jr world champs the list includes: Gable Steveson, Mark Hall & Meyer Shapiro 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, Gus said: USA Jr Freestyle World champs since 2005 2007 - Bubba Jenkins 2013 - Kyle Snyder 2015 - Spencer Lee 2016 - Spencer Lee, Mark Hall 2017 - Daton Fix, Mark Hall, Gable Steveson 2018 - Mekhi Lewis 2019 - David Carr, Mason Parris 2021 - Kegan O-Toole, Rocky Elam, Braxton Amos 2022 - Jore Volk, Ben Kueter 2023 - Meyer Shapiro, Mitchell Mesenbrink From what I can see on Cadet & Jr world champs the list includes: Gable Steveson, Mark Hall & Meyer Shapiro Ban was right. A ton of busts on there! (sarcasm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: How many Junior Freestyle World Champs have been busts? Not many! I'm still waiting for Braxton Amos to break out, but he seems to be a bit of a 'tweener, and his skillset may be more suited to the international styles. None. The answer is none. Every Junior Freestyle World Champ is a Junior Freestyle WORLD CHAMP. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: None. The answer is none. Every Junior Freestyle World Champ is a Junior Freestyle WORLD CHAMP. Right, but the topic is NCAA wrestling, and another poster started rattling off some drivel about all the busts that he's witnessed over the years (despite bragging that he only follows one school, and only in-season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Right, but the topic is NCAA wrestling, and another poster started rattling off some drivel about all the busts that he's witnessed over the years (despite bragging that he only follows one school, and only in-season). I used to read his posts. I just skip over them now. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 43 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Ban was right. A ton of busts on there! (sarcasm) There are 16 wrestlers listed that have won a Jr World title. 9 of them have won at least one NCAA title (Jenkins, Snyder, Lee, Hall, Steveson, Lewis, Carr, Parris, O’Toole), 2 more have AA’d (Fix and Elam), 3 have yet to compete collegiately (Shapiro, Kueter, Mesenbrink), 2 have competed and qualified for NCAA’s but not AA’d yet (Volk and Amos). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRasta Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 16 hours ago, Ban Basketball said: If I had dime for every "next big thing" entering the college ranks from either freestyle, Greco, or high school I'd be living the life of a lottery winner. I couldn't count the number of "next big thing" flops. Here's a list of the US's previous junior world champs from 2010-2020. Kyle Snyder Spencer Lee Gable Steveson Mark Hall Daton Fix Mekhi Lewis David Carr Mason Parris. Alot of flops in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ban Basketball Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 37 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said: Here's a list of the US's previous junior world champs from 2010-2020. Kyle Snyder Spencer Lee Gable Steveson Mark Hall Daton Fix Mekhi Lewis David Carr Mason Parris. Alot of flops in there. As I said, I only follow UNI, so I wouldn't even know what a " junior world champ" is or means. The even larger list that I could compile is just purely based on " the next big thing" because they won yet some other kind of "world title." Somehow it seems that there are endless " world championships. " Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Ban Basketball said: As I said, I only follow UNI, so I wouldn't even know what a " junior world champ" is or means. The even larger list that I could compile is just purely based on " the next big thing" because they won yet some other kind of "world title." Somehow it seems that there are endless " world championships. " There is no such list. You literally saw THE list. The ONLY lists. No busts. How would you know if you only follow UNI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRasta Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ban Basketball said: As I said, I only follow UNI, so I wouldn't even know what a " junior world champ" is or means. The even larger list that I could compile is just purely based on " the next big thing" because they won yet some other kind of "world title." Somehow it seems that there are endless " world championships. " So when you said ‘if I had a dime for’ and ‘I can’t count how many’….. you had absolutely no basis whatsoever for those statements, you were just looking to argue about something. I don’t think that is surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ban Basketball Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: There is no such list. You literally saw THE list. The ONLY lists. No busts. How would you know if you only follow UNI? The next big thing. Seen a lot of trust hype over the years, with many living up to just about zero. Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ban Basketball Posted September 29, 2023 Share Posted September 29, 2023 1 minute ago, WrestlingRasta said: So when you said ‘if I had a dime for’ and ‘I can’t count how many’….. you had absolutely no basis whatsoever for those statements, you were just looking to argue about something. I don’t think that is surprising. The next big thing/ highly hyped rasslers. There's a BIG list from twenty year's time. 1 Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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