Leg lace

[1032004]

14 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

 

Thanks! Does he release the leg?

I think you could make the argument that the crossface was "the hold used to secure the near-fall criterion."   But I understand that there can be debate around that and not sure if there is any more clarity somewhere on situations like that.

[Scouts Honor]

4 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Pretty high profile examples.  One was NCAA finals, the other was repeatedly throughout a career.  Doubt they were missed calls.

What exactly is the folkstyle rule?

you have to let go of the hold.. hence you see spencer lee showing the ref his hands a lot..when working his tilts

[Scouts Honor]

I dont see any problem with the way FS does it.

I like FS. we dont need to make it folk.

just like we dont need to make folk FS

 

 

[mspart]

22 hours ago, Idaho said:

I'm pretty sure they changed it to one score and switch holds because of what  Buxton did to me at Vegas. I'm not bitter. 

I remember that!!!!

mspart

[mspart]

Honestly, I don't like the multiple racking up of points via leg lace or other move.   But there is some truth to the don't get in it.   I remember at US Nationals many years ago, someone got Joe Williams in a very deep leg lace.   Joe would  not move.   No matter how much leverage was put on, he did not roll.  I couldn't believe it.   I don't remember who tried it on him but I remember that very clearly. 

mspart

[Idaho]

1 minute ago, mspart said:

I remember that!!!!

mspart

 

[1032004]

Happy for Spencer, but still don’t like the rule of being able to score so much with one move.

[LJB]

it's a "special" kind of poster who bumps there own thread from 3-1/2 years ago...

[Caveira]

On 4/30/2023 at 9:20 AM, Pipewrench said:

How Vito Arujau Teched DeSanto in 50 seconds.

Watch it twice in a minute 

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, LJB said:

it's a "special" kind of poster who bumps there own thread from 3-1/2 years ago...

You responded to yourself 83 times in a different thread.   

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

RBY so good on single leg defense throughout his career.  One of the best in the world.  Trusted it a little too much and fought a little too long and stuff went really bad for him.  By the time he realized it, it was too late.

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

RBY so good on single leg defense throughout his career.  One of the best in the world.  Trusted it a little too much and fought a little too long and stuff went really bad for him.  By the time he realized it, it was too late.

Didn’t Lee deck him with a single last time too.   I think he did 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

4 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Didn’t Lee deck him with a single last time too.   I think he did 

Won 6-3 and then the next match was inj default by RBY.  To my knowledge they only have met twice before today.

Edited November 1 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[Caveira]

37 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Won 6-3 and then the next match was inj default by RBY.  To my knowledge they only have met twice before today.

This is the one I was thinking of 

 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

This is the one I was thinking of 

 

Yes, the injury default.  

[Dark Energy]

I get the dislike of how a leg lace can rack up so many points.  I also get the argument that it is a move, like a pinning combo, that has the ability to end a match.  It shows dominance over the other person.

What I have a hard time with, is that the points are supposedly exposure points.  So often, there is little to no exposure.  I’ve seen guys sitting upright when the turn occurs.  Back is no where near the mat.  This differs from gut wrenches.  I can see using judgement on how close the person’s back is to a mat can be an issue.  Still, not a fan of seeing someone’s shoulders so far away from the mat and still being called for exposure.

[LJB]

how close someone shoulders are to the mat is not a criteria for exposure at all...

[Dark Energy]

‘Exposure’ means something.  I’ve seen laces that don’t seem to have any exposure.

[LJB]

If your hips rotate 360^ it is physically impossible that your shoulders do not expose to the mat at some point…

[Hammerlock3]

1 hour ago, LJB said:

If your hips rotate 360^ it is physically impossible that your shoulders do not expose to the mat at some point…

How are you lame enough to say something that seems uselessly obvious and is still wrong?

If you're laced you can avoid exposure by rotating your head on a horizontal plane while your hips rotate on a vertical plane, so when your butt is down your chest is on your thighs. Alas they wanted to protect the move so they just call that exposure.  

[Hammerlock3]

I wish we went back to one exposure per turn and had forced par terre that lasted about 20 seconds.

[LJB]

24 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

How are you lame enough to say something that seems uselessly obvious and is still wrong?

If you're laced you can avoid exposure by rotating your head on a horizontal plane while your hips rotate on a vertical plane, so when your butt is down your chest is on your thighs. Alas they wanted to protect the move so they just call that exposure.  

Show it…

[juniorvarsity]

I'm probably off on my memory, but was it that a gut wrench had to change directions to get back to back points? Also, I think you could hold a guy in exposure off a gut wrench and get an extra point. Anyone care to correct me? I am referencing maybe pre 2004?

How that applies to a leg lace, I do not know. 

[1032004]

12 minutes ago, juniorvarsity said:

I'm probably off on my memory, but was it that a gut wrench had to change directions to get back to back points? Also, I think you could hold a guy in exposure off a gut wrench and get an extra point. Anyone care to correct me? I am referencing maybe pre 2004?

How that applies to a leg lace, I do not know. 

Having to change direction could probably be a good compromise for the leg lace “issue”

[WrestlingRasta]

It 'used to be' a number of things.   There was the one gut, one lace at a time rule. Even that rule was modified between no two in succession not matter where in the match, and the modifier that a break in the action opens the ability to gut/lace again.   There was the must break the lock and return to defensible (kind of like tilts in folkstyle) era. There was also the must hit an elbow for two...hand to hand is one.   And all of that just to circled back to where we are now......just go.

Must change direction on the leg lace isn't really an option.   Once you have the lace locked up there's only one direction to go.  You can't get the leverage and pressure in their shins to go the other direction.  

Edited November 3 by WrestlingRasta