LJB Posted November 3 Posted November 3 This has been fun… one with a super secret method of avoiding exposure and another with a super secret leg lace that tightens up in both directions… i absolutely love this place!!!
1032004 Posted November 3 Author Posted November 3 9 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said: Must change direction on the leg lace isn't really an option. Once you have the lace locked up there's only one direction to go. You can't get the leverage and pressure in their shins to go the other direction. Well yeah, that’s kinda the point. It shouldn’t be that easy to score that many points in a row.
WrestlingRasta Posted November 3 Posted November 3 24 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Well yeah, that’s kinda the point. It shouldn’t be that easy to score that many points in a row. When you are competing against the best in the world.......it's not 'that easy'. If you have wrestled to that position, you have earned that position.
LJB Posted November 3 Posted November 3 the thing i love most about this silly thread is it even compelled our old friend rasta to actually visit the wrestling forum...
WrestlingRasta Posted November 3 Posted November 3 1 minute ago, LJB said: the thing i love most about this silly thread is it even compelled our old friend rasta to actually visit the wrestling forum... Oh I visit a few times a week, I just tend not to engage. You don't have to look too hard to understand why. 1
LJB Posted November 3 Posted November 3 Just now, WrestlingRasta said: Oh I visit a few times a week, I just tend not to engage. You don't have to look too hard to understand why. i have no doubt you take a peak... then it is just better to turn around while slowly shaking your head and move on with your day... it is a stoic lifestyle choice no doubt...
1032004 Posted November 3 Author Posted November 3 19 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said: When you are competing against the best in the world.......it's not 'that easy'. If you have wrestled to that position, you have earned that position. Of course, it’s all relative. But outside of a pin, a leg lace is pretty much the only time I see a high level FS match end in like 30 seconds.
WrestlingRasta Posted November 3 Posted November 3 Maybe we should eliminate the pin as well. You shouldn't be able to end the match so easily against such a high level opponent just by achieving a dominant position that could end the match. That's basically the logic against the leg lace. 2
LJB Posted November 3 Posted November 3 this entire grade school discussion would be moot if everyone just cowboyed up and wrestled the best and most popular style on the planet...
1032004 Posted November 3 Author Posted November 3 16 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said: Maybe we should eliminate the pin as well. You shouldn't be able to end the match so easily against such a high level opponent just by achieving a dominant position that could end the match. That's basically the logic against the leg lace. A pin is achieving the ultimate goal of all styles of wrestling - holding someone on their back. That is far more difficult than executing a leg lace. You act like this is a crazy suggestion. It’s literally a rule in folkstyle.
LJB Posted November 3 Posted November 3 a tech shows exponentially more match dominance than a pin which literally anyone can be caught in...
Caveira Posted November 3 Posted November 3 33 minutes ago, LJB said: this entire grade school discussion would be moot if everyone just cowboyed up and wrestled the best and most popular style on the planet... The folkstyle forum is right across the street
WrestlingRasta Posted November 3 Posted November 3 27 minutes ago, 1032004 said: A pin is achieving the ultimate goal of all styles of wrestling - holding someone on their back. That is far more difficult than executing a leg lace. You act like this is a crazy suggestion. It’s literally a rule in folkstyle. I’m not acting like it’s a crazy suggestion, Im acting like its an illogical one. An illogical one that has already been tried and passed on. It is literally not folkstyle.
1032004 Posted November 3 Author Posted November 3 2 hours ago, LJB said: a tech shows exponentially more match dominance than a pin which literally anyone can be caught in... Ok guy that’s never wrestled… 2 hours ago, WrestlingRasta said: I’m not acting like it’s a crazy suggestion, Im acting like its an illogical one. An illogical one that has already been tried and passed on. It is literally not folkstyle. I don’t think we should make freestyle folkstyle or vice versa. I do think they can take things from each other though. For example, a lot of people want a step out for folkstyle. And awhile back freestyle changed takedowns from 1 point to 2 (I know not a direct result of folk but I’m sure it played a role)
LJB Posted November 3 Posted November 3 2 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Ok guy that’s never wrestled… my personal wrestling experience has far exceeded anything you think you have done... you know that... quit being such a tittie baby and maybe you will learn something for once...
1032004 Posted November 3 Author Posted November 3 1 minute ago, LJB said: my personal wrestling experience has far exceeded anything you think you have done... Nope.
Dark Energy Posted November 4 Posted November 4 I expect this is a fruitless exercise …. But the request to ‘show me’ is fair. I am not going to spend more time looking for an example … and this one is not perfect. But check out about 1min 40s into this video. Fellow is getting turned. Watch the last turn or two. This guy does expose a bit. But he wasn’t leaning as far forward as I have seen. Meaning I have seen others, to me, not expose their back during the turns. Yes, I’m asking for you to use your imagination. But this video shows how it could be done.
WrestlingRasta Posted November 4 Posted November 4 13 minutes ago, Dark Energy said: I expect this is a fruitless exercise …. But the request to ‘show me’ is fair. I am not going to spend more time looking for an example … and this one is not perfect. But check out about 1min 40s into this video. Fellow is getting turned. Watch the last turn or two. This guy does expose a bit. But he wasn’t leaning as far forward as I have seen. Meaning I have seen others, to me, not expose their back during the turns. Yes, I’m asking for you to use your imagination. But this video shows how it could be done. He’s not exposed when he’s flat on both butt cheeks, but he is exposed when he’s on his hip on his way to flat on his butt cheeks. Not by a lot, but you don’t have to have your back parallel to the mat to meet exposure.
LJB Posted November 4 Posted November 4 89.5^ degrees is exposure... and it is still physically impossible to rotate your hips 360^ and not expose...
Dark Energy Posted November 4 Posted November 4 As fellow is turned he is on his two hands face down for a moment, as he begins to rotate he swings his upper body quickly to do a toe touch stretch, still resisting the turn. So that by the time his upper body has a chance to expose his upper body is leaning forward over his own knees. Back is at 125 degrees from the floor. As continues to rotate, left arm braces out to left and then he lifts upper body from stretch and catches himself with second hand as rotation continues. Not exposing his back. I believe I have seen it.
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